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Just a thought

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Of what we know,
of what we believe.

There are those amongst us who believe they know the absolute truths.
There are those amongst us who wonder about what is the absolute truth.

We choose to accept preconditioned labels that tend to fractionalize all of us.
We choose the path which seems the straightest of the many,
though not always the most comfortable, or best lighted.

We label those who would differ with our clearly more acceptable choices.
These labels are learned icons of predetermination, forged from past images.
Images often cast upon our minds by those with not sufficient learning.

How dost one know which image is The Image, correctly viewed, absolutely true?

We see those who would cast opposing thoughts as inspired from false beliefs.
Beliefs of discordian teachings, negative to what seems to us as true and honest paths.

We design a simple vision of that which we see not,
mindsets of that which is unknowable.
That which is a distant murmur in the cacaphoney of all that is,
and that which may be.

We all cast the attributes of others in a mold made of our own constraints.
We critique the beliefs, based on the constraints of our own beliefs.

Those who would accept sudden creation of the human form,
cannot see the thinking of any other time factor, any other way, any other possibility.
Those who would recognize the eons of time spent by the all in forming that which is, cannot accept the possibility of a sudden appearance of any form of life.

I've seen it said that it is laughable that suddenly a woman evolves with the knowledge and ability to give birth, sucle and nurture her young through evolution.
With this thinking, I agree.
One must understand that this would be an inconcievable thought, and an impossible occurance.
Those that would not accept the tediously slow process of evolution are too ingrained in their creationist thinking to accept even the remotest thought of an evolving universe.
I admit that the complexities are absolutely overwhelming and unprovable.

I've seen it said that to believe that an omnipotent creator who is unobservable and unknowable could just breath on sand and create man, and from this man, with rib in hand, create this very same woman, to give birth and sucle and nuture her young is idiotic thinking at best, and simplistic escapism at the very least.
With this thinking I agree.
One must realize that this too is an inconcievable thought, and an impossible occurance.
Those who would not accept the process of sudden creation are too ingrained in their feelings of slowly developing, and evolving human spirit to accept even the remotest thought of sudden emergence of anything as complex as a human being.

One commonality rings out from both lines of thought, the suddeness of coming to fruition.

The truth seems to lie in the multiple labels, and the complexity of life,
and in our futile attempts to explain the causes, reasons, and purpose of same.

Was it designed?
Was it by random survival of the fittest?
Was it both?

No matter the thinking, we are here, as is everything in the all that is.
None of us, nor those we spawn and those from them, may ever know the truth.
We have only each other in the present, and in the forseeable future.

In the hidden and awesome secrets of the spirit of the cosmos, we are all ignorant of any truth not spoken of by man. And certainly not knowing of the wonderous magic of the miracle known as woman.

Just some thoughts as I approach the end of this sojourn known as life.
May you all be right in your beliefs, may you all prosper in your goals.

mud
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
There are those amongst us who believe they know the absolute truths.
There are those amongst us who wonder about what is the absolute truth.

And there are those who believe absolute truth is always but a work in progress not yet or maybe ever realized.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Debates about truth absolute
have premises much in dispute.
If we can't agree
on basics, you see.
then all the results are just moot.
 

Aldrnari

Active Member
The problem with absolute truths, imo, is that people will stop looking once they think they have them; they only focus more and more on the truths they have. They knowingly or unknowingly harden their hearts against new or differing information they get.

Thinking you know what is what sure is a comfortable prospect.

To me, it doesn't look like they are interested in the truth at all, but instead are afraid of it. They don't want anything to tip over their comfy seats that they've taken great efforts to pad with all kinds of pillows and make juuust right.

Being right all the time leads to a sedentary life, imo. There's no shame in being wrong, and if anything, only serves to broaden one's horizons. :)
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Of what we know,
of what we believe.

There are those amongst us who believe they know the absolute truths.
There are those amongst us who wonder about what is the absolute truth.

No matter the thinking, we are here, as is everything in the all that is.
None of us, nor those we spawn and those from them, may ever know the truth.
We have only each other in the present, and in the forseeable future.

In the hidden and awesome secrets of the spirit of the cosmos, we are all ignorant of any truth not spoken of by man. And certainly not knowing of the wonderous magic of the miracle known as woman.

Just some thoughts as I approach the end of this sojourn known as life.
May you all be right in your beliefs, may you all prosper in your goals.

mud

There is but one absolute truth and anyone can learn it. As I explained to my father. It can only be experienced, it is the same for all but each's understanding is unique. The truth is really not that amazing or important, it is the experiences one has in reaching it that are most meaningful.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Of what we know,
of what we believe.

There are those amongst us who believe they know the absolute truths.
There are those amongst us who wonder about what is the absolute truth.

We choose to accept preconditioned labels that tend to fractionalize all of us.
We choose the path which seems the straightest of the many,
though not always the most comfortable, or best lighted.

We label those who would differ with our clearly more acceptable choices.
These labels are learned icons of predetermination, forged from past images.
Images often cast upon our minds by those with not sufficient learning.

How dost one know which image is The Image, correctly viewed, absolutely true?

We see those who would cast opposing thoughts as inspired from false beliefs.
Beliefs of discordian teachings, negative to what seems to us as true and honest paths.

We design a simple vision of that which we see not,
mindsets of that which is unknowable.
That which is a distant murmur in the cacaphoney of all that is,
and that which may be.

We all cast the attributes of others in a mold made of our own constraints.
We critique the beliefs, based on the constraints of our own beliefs.

Those who would accept sudden creation of the human form,
cannot see the thinking of any other time factor, any other way, any other possibility.
Those who would recognize the eons of time spent by the all in forming that which is, cannot accept the possibility of a sudden appearance of any form of life.

I've seen it said that it is laughable that suddenly a woman evolves with the knowledge and ability to give birth, sucle and nurture her young through evolution.
With this thinking, I agree.
One must understand that this would be an inconcievable thought, and an impossible occurance.
Those that would not accept the tediously slow process of evolution are too ingrained in their creationist thinking to accept even the remotest thought of an evolving universe.
I admit that the complexities are absolutely overwhelming and unprovable.

I've seen it said that to believe that an omnipotent creator who is unobservable and unknowable could just breath on sand and create man, and from this man, with rib in hand, create this very same woman, to give birth and sucle and nuture her young is idiotic thinking at best, and simplistic escapism at the very least.
With this thinking I agree.
One must realize that this too is an inconcievable thought, and an impossible occurance.
Those who would not accept the process of sudden creation are too ingrained in their feelings of slowly developing, and evolving human spirit to accept even the remotest thought of sudden emergence of anything as complex as a human being.

One commonality rings out from both lines of thought, the suddeness of coming to fruition.

The truth seems to lie in the multiple labels, and the complexity of life,
and in our futile attempts to explain the causes, reasons, and purpose of same.

Was it designed?
Was it by random survival of the fittest?
Was it both?

No matter the thinking, we are here, as is everything in the all that is.
None of us, nor those we spawn and those from them, may ever know the truth.
We have only each other in the present, and in the forseeable future.

In the hidden and awesome secrets of the spirit of the cosmos, we are all ignorant of any truth not spoken of by man. And certainly not knowing of the wonderous magic of the miracle known as woman.

Just some thoughts as I approach the end of this sojourn known as life.
May you all be right in your beliefs, may you all prosper in your goals.

mud
well posted.....and it seems dogmatic belief will never be yours
ok

but I see the creation story as science told in manner that people of the time would nod their heads

I believe in evolution
I also believe something happened to redirect the body and spirit of Man
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Bobhikes,
The most meaningful lesson that can be obtained from living life,
is the living itself, and the fulfillment of filling our gnosis to the fullest.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Aldrnari,
re: " Thinking you know what is what, sure is a comfortable prospect."
I like to think I could think like that.
Thank you for the thought.
 
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