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Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.


Ridding ourselves of Islam’s extremist jihadists is good. But to allow the Qur’an and other Holy books, --- which create the jihadists, --- to remain unchanged is not good.


The passages that create our problems must be re-interpreted and re-rephrased for modern times. Revisions are quite common to most of the documents at hand. The passages which create the extremist view are the real enemy. Those passages create the mindset that is plaguing our young. In the long term, we are better served to kill what creates the jihadists of the future, and not the future Jihadists, by removing the Jihadist creating parts of their theologies and ideologies. It is a much more humane way to end that destructive type of extremist behavior.


To have real peace, we must do the same to the immoral parts of the Bible.


The Qur’an and the Bible are both creating misogynous and homophobic religions that deny many of us equality. World/Male domination of a few over the many of us is the goal of both of the two largest of the mainstream religions. Those who fly the cross and those who fly the star and crescent. Both groups are idol worshipers and not the God seekers that Jesus wanted for mankind. Shame on both the cross and those who fly the star and crescent.


Justice demands that both the Qur’an and the Bible be revised and thus force the mainstream religions to upgrade, modernize and join us in the present instead of living with ancient Gods. Governments should force the policies of the Gods to become more acceptable to mankind. After all, governments created religions to serve us. Not to dominate us.


Secular Governments, who are answerable to you and me, should rule without religions getting in the way of progress. Social control and manipulation is better in government hands than what religions offer. Ask any woman or gay. Those two oppressed groups want social manipulation of the social manipulators and their poor moral and religious attitudes. To give any ruling power to invisible absentee Gods is foolish.


Should secular governments pick up the pace and shed ourselves of the misogynous Qur’an and Bible. Have those cursed books created enough grief for women and gays? Have we allowed the downgrading of women long enough?


Man is God. God needs and wants a Goddess. Secular men are free and equal. Should our women not also be free and equal?


Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Qur’an and Bible to make those documents more civilized?


Regards

DL
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
The Quran And Bible don't create anything of themselves..

Correct.

But they are tools to indoctrinate in to violence.

Hitler had Mein Kampf and the Western mainstream religions have the Qur'an and Bible.

Do you see a difference? I do not.

Regards
DL
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Correct.

But they are tools to indoctrinate in to violence.

Hitler had Mein Kampf and the Western mainstream religions have the Qur'an and Bible.

Do you see a difference? I do not.

Regards
DL

You're missing the actual root of the problem, in either case. What causes people to act/react violently?
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
There are many causes and to ignore religious indoctrination is foolish.

Regards
DL

To ignore the cause(s) and facilitators of false and/or violent indoctrination, while thinking the removal thereof will solve anything, is foolish.
 

Zulk-Dharma

Member
Do we need to get rid of Dao De Jing? An extreme, radical interpretation of it make it seems like it says world have no rules and that you are your own law, therefore if you want to kill a man without getting punished, you can do it and no one should stop you, if you want to get out of a court, you have that right to it - no one should stop you these ethics and morals are only a social construct, but since you're a hermetic fundamentalist, the only morals are those based on Daoism on following the Dao and do what you pleases and let it go naturally, this can give room to kill people and terrorism. Because of this skewed interpretation of Daoism that the majority of Daoists don't adhere to, you need to destroy my pleasure in following that philosophy because of your inane opinions on that it harms people and have radical teachings.

What about the Analects? The Chinese government interpret it as an authoritarian philosophy and since it's "cause" of heavy oppression due to a radical/fundamentalist interpretation other adherents should not be able to follow it or its real enemy to you is Confucius for this.

I hope you can see how foolish this is. Right now it's Islam, but to call Islam for the real fault for the backwardness of Jihadists is as stupid, do you think this backwardness radicalization just suddenly happened to this ancient religion after 1400 years? No, it happened gradually, yet drastically, after the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire that gave room for power-hungry dictators to take over, they changed the state religions to something that suits their ideology like the Chinese government did with Confucianism, in this case it was Wahhabism and over generations of oppression and such, this is a result. Believe it or not, I think ISIS is doing a good job trying to reestablish a second Ottoman Empire, however they are doing it with a more violent interpretation rather than as a free-thinking state and that's my condemnation against them. Real enemies are the radical Muslims, not Islam or Quran.
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Do we need to get rid of Dao De Jing? An extreme, radical interpretation of it make it seems like it says world have no rules and that you are your own law, therefore if you want to kill a man without getting punished, you can do it and no one should stop you, if you want to get out of a court, you have that right to it - no one should stop you these ethics and morals are only a social construct, but since you're a hermetic fundamentalist, the only morals are those based on Daoism on following the Dao and do what you pleases and let it go naturally, this can give room to kill people and terrorism. Because of this skewed interpretation of Daoism that the majority of Daoists don't adhere to, you need to destroy my pleasure in following that philosophy because of your inane opinions on that it harms people and have radical teachings.

What about the Analects? The Chinese government interpret it as an authoritarian philosophy and since it's "cause" of heavy oppression due to a radical/fundamentalist interpretation other adherents should not be able to follow it or its real enemy to you is Confucius for this.

I hope you can see how foolish this is. Right now it's Islam, but to call Islam for the real fault for the backwardness of Jihadists is as stupid, do you think this backwardness radicalization just suddenly happened to this ancient religion after 1400 years? No, it happened gradually, yet drastically, after the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire that gave room for power-hungry dictators to take over, they changed the state religions to something that suits their ideology like the Chinese government did with Confucianism, in this case it was Wahhabism and over generations of oppression and such, this is a result. Believe it or not, I think ISIS is doing a good job trying to reestablish a second Ottoman Empire, however they are doing it with a more violent interpretation rather than as a free-thinking state and that's my condemnation against them. Real enemies are the radical Muslims, not Islam or Quran.

If the good people of any religion wish to civilize their creeds, I would not object.

Regards
DL
 

Zulk-Dharma

Member
"I dislike religion, so I think the state ought to pass laws dictating acceptable theology according to what is in line with my atheistic liberal opinions."
That right there is one of the tenets of National Socialism and other authoritarian atheistic/anti-theistic, anti-religious ideologies.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
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MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
I think there is hope for them. There is non violence in the Holy Quran. However, one would think God would submit us all with goodliness and a compassionate heart and Islam would admit wrong for the sake of love the one God.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
When we'll take it upon ourselves to forcible censor one text for "immoral content," we'll do for anything. If you censor one thing over interpretations of violence, where would you stop? The Dawson College shooter said Megadeth's song A Tout le Monde influenced him to do that.
 
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