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Jesus is God.

Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
URAVIP2ME said:
Jesus set up a new covenant or contract according to Luke 22:28-30

The old Law was fulfilled in Jesus - Romans 10:4

Jesus set up a ' new ' commandment at John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others.
Love others more than self.
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Jesus never claimed divinity.

Quite the contrary,

In the Bible
Mat 19:16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?


Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

People associate Jesus with God but it is not true.

He was one of the greatest prophets.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
Jesus never claimed divinity.

Quite the contrary,

In the Bible
Mat 19:16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?


Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

People associate Jesus with God but it is not true.

He was one of the greatest prophets.
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Rookie, I don't believe in the trinity and I can refute that.
1. Jesus was making the individual realize that he was calling Jesus god is the arguement.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Rookie, I don't believe in the trinity and I can refute that.
1. Jesus was making the individual realize that he was calling Jesus god is the arguement.
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It was not directed to you.

The refute you gave me was illogical.

:)
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jabar said:
Jesus never claimed divinity.
Quite the contrary,
In the Bible
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
People associate Jesus with God but it is not true.
He was one of the greatest prophets.
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You might want to add to the list John 10:29 that Jesus' Father is greater than all.
And add John 14:28 that the Father is greater than Jesus.
Gospel writer John wrote Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God at Revelation 3:14 B
Since God is un-created - Psalms 90:2 - then the pre-human heavenly Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Jesus only taught he is the Son - John 10:36
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
URAVIP2ME said:
You might want to add to the list John 10:29 that Jesus' Father is greater than all.
And add John 14:28 that the Father is greater than Jesus.
Gospel writer John wrote Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God at Revelation 3:14 B
Since God is un-created - Psalms 90:2 - then the pre-human heavenly Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Jesus only taught he is the Son - John 10:36
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Yeah this guy knows more. To bad many serve a wicked quranic god.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
URAVIP2ME said:
You might want to add to the list John 10:29 that Jesus' Father is greater than all.
And add John 14:28 that the Father is greater than Jesus.
Gospel writer John wrote Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God at Revelation 3:14 B
Since God is un-created - Psalms 90:2 - then the pre-human heavenly Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Jesus only taught he is the Son - John 10:36
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Then does this not have contradiction?

If the claims you make about the verses are correct.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Not at all. The scripture you used was a rookie text because it's ambiguous and can be twisted. My favorite is revelation 3:12
And 1 corinthians 15:24-28
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A rookie text?

How is it ambiguous?

I could actually argue that the verses you give me are ambiguous.

:)
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Not at all. The scripture you used was a rookie text because it's ambiguous and can be twisted. My favorite is revelation 3:12
And 1 corinthians 15:24-28
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Rookie text?

Haha, i could also say you used a rookie test.

You just called the Bible rookie when you consider it to be the Word of God.

God's word is ambiguous in this sense, why did he not just say that he was God?
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”

So now you follow the Scholars?

They could be telling you anything.

The word of God is relevant in this conversation not scholars unless it actually fits with the meaning.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
Rookie text?

Haha, i could also say you used a rookie test.

You just called the Bible rookie when you consider it to be the Word of God.

God's word is ambiguous in this sense, why did he not just say that he was God?
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No your being unreasonable, because people can misquote or abuse certain texts of the Qur'an. Rookie for something more concrete.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Hahaha the Qur'an tells you to go to your scholars
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It says if you do not know something ask the people with knowledge.

Of course it has to be with accordance to the scripture.

The things you say are not and contain contradiction much.

You just said Jesus was not crucified, indicating he did not die on the cross.

You try and defend the fact that Jesus is God when you yourself contradict the beliefs of the text you are defending.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Jabar said:
It says if you do not know something ask the people with knowledge.

Of course it has to be with accordance to the scripture.

The things you say are not and contain contradiction much.

You just said Jesus was not crucified, indicating he did not die on the cross.

You try and defend the fact that Jesus is God when you yourself contradict the beliefs of the text you are defending.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Hey its all good hypocrisy is saying your a loving god and purposely planting us in an evil world, and setting those that can't make it in eternal fire.
 
Jabar

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Paul Chavez said:
Actually if you want to get technical he wasn't crucified. But I think your scared to watch Jay smith tear up your Qur'an
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As far as i can recall, Jay Smith got exposed by Shabir.

Using Scholars to try and degrade the Qur'an and Islam is a sign of ignorance.

I do not get you and your prejudice comments towards the Qur'an but they should really be fixed through understanding and reading of the Qur'an.
 
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