lostwanderingsoul
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Please give more details. Jesus birth is calculated using date for Mary's LMP but date of LMP is calculated based on Jesus birth date. Seems to go in circles.
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Jesus Christ was born on 05-23
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peacecrusader888
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The spirit of Ama is different from the "hugging guru Amma" that you mentioned.
Ama is a spirit, a holy spirit. Most, if not all, of His listeners believe that He is Jesus Christ. We (plural) cannot see Him and touch Him. We record on audio tapes our conversation with Him which we call sessions.
The word "ama" in the Philippine language means "father". When capitalized, that is, "Ama", it refers to "God the Father". We call Him Ama and He calls us His children.
Ama revealed that Jesus Christ was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17, and I found Him correct in both revelations. As 2 Corinthians 4:13 states: "I believed, and therefore have I spoken".
peacecrusader888
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Mary's Last Menstrual Period (LMP) is calculated to be 34 BC 08-15 based on the revelation of the spirit of Ama. But it was a Tuesday. When archangel Gabriel visited her in the oratory and announced that she would give birth (Luke 1:35), it was Saturday, 34 BC 08-19. The overshadowing occurred after the following Tuesday because of Leviticus 12:2 and before she met her cousin Elisabeth.
peacecrusader888
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She was unclean based on Leviticus 12:2, from Tuesday, 34 BC 08-15 to Monday, 34 BC 08-21. She met her old and barren Elisabeth on 34 BC 08-28, How could Elisabeth know that Mary was with child (Luke 1:43)?
Any link where I can learn more about Ama?
peacecrusader888
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Try http://aristean.org/ . In English, try http://aristean.org/wpxxx.htm where xxx is from 030 to 126. You may also try http://aristean.org/sermonyyy.htm where yyy is from 001 to 018.
Most of what the spirit of Ama said are still in the original language called Filipino.
peacecrusader888
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Stay at Elisabeth's place
Why did Mary have to make the 130-km journey to see her old and barren cousin Elisabeth? To check if what archangel Gabriel was true. How can an old woman give birth?
On 34 BC 08-28, Joseph and Mary reached the home of Zechariah and Elisabeth in Judah. This is in Luke 1:40-55. Even the baby leaped in Elisabeth's womb when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary. In Luke 1:42, Mary was conceiving already a few days old. How could Elisabeth know that Mary has a child in her womb also?
Joseph and Mary stayed in their home for the next three months (34 BC 08-28 to 34 BC 11-26) (Luke 1:56; Pasiong Mahal, page 19). Why did they stay this long at Hebron? Foremost, Mary wanted to ascertain that Elisabeth would really give birth to a son (and a human being) as announced to her by archangel Gabriel. Secondly, they could be of assistance to Elisabeth's giving birth to the child. And thirdly, they lived far away in the north, in Nazareth.
Why did Mary have to make the 130-km journey to see her old and barren cousin Elisabeth? To check if what archangel Gabriel was true. How can an old woman give birth?
On 34 BC 08-28, Joseph and Mary reached the home of Zechariah and Elisabeth in Judah. This is in Luke 1:40-55. Even the baby leaped in Elisabeth's womb when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary. In Luke 1:42, Mary was conceiving already a few days old. How could Elisabeth know that Mary has a child in her womb also?
Joseph and Mary stayed in their home for the next three months (34 BC 08-28 to 34 BC 11-26) (Luke 1:56; Pasiong Mahal, page 19). Why did they stay this long at Hebron? Foremost, Mary wanted to ascertain that Elisabeth would really give birth to a son (and a human being) as announced to her by archangel Gabriel. Secondly, they could be of assistance to Elisabeth's giving birth to the child. And thirdly, they lived far away in the north, in Nazareth.
peacecrusader888
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Circumcision of John the Baptist
John the Baptist was born to his old parents, Zechariah and Elisabeth.
Luke 1:56 states: "And Mary abode with her about three months". Pasiong Mahal on page 19 states that Mary did not leave after more than two months. So the date of their departure must be before 11-28 which is three months from 08-28. The child was circumcised on his eighth day in accordance with Jewish tradition (Genesis 17:12, 21:4; Leviticus 12:3). This could have occurred on the 24th, 25th, 26th or 27th. I chose the 25th because it is the day the spirit of Ama said that we conduct the 'Blessing of the Children". We actually do not know why the blessing has to be on this date. Only after the naming ceremony was Zechariah able to speak again (Luke 1:57-79).
John the Baptist was born to his old parents, Zechariah and Elisabeth.
Luke 1:56 states: "And Mary abode with her about three months". Pasiong Mahal on page 19 states that Mary did not leave after more than two months. So the date of their departure must be before 11-28 which is three months from 08-28. The child was circumcised on his eighth day in accordance with Jewish tradition (Genesis 17:12, 21:4; Leviticus 12:3). This could have occurred on the 24th, 25th, 26th or 27th. I chose the 25th because it is the day the spirit of Ama said that we conduct the 'Blessing of the Children". We actually do not know why the blessing has to be on this date. Only after the naming ceremony was Zechariah able to speak again (Luke 1:57-79).
peacecrusader888
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Birth of John the Baptist
If John the Baptist was circumcised on 11-25, he must had been born of 34 BC 11-18, which is six months before the birth of Jesus on 33 BC 05-23.
If John the Baptist was circumcised on 11-25, he must had been born of 34 BC 11-18, which is six months before the birth of Jesus on 33 BC 05-23.
peacecrusader888
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Return to Nazareth
After ascertaining the birth and the naming of the child, Joseph and Mary left for their home in Nazareth because winter was about to set in and it would be rainy and cold on the way. All the time (08-28 to 11-26) that Mary was in Hebron, Joseph was with her. She would not have flirted with any of the locals since she had her espoused husband with her, and she really would like to remain chaste even though she lived with Joseph.
After ascertaining the birth and the naming of the child, Joseph and Mary left for their home in Nazareth because winter was about to set in and it would be rainy and cold on the way. All the time (08-28 to 11-26) that Mary was in Hebron, Joseph was with her. She would not have flirted with any of the locals since she had her espoused husband with her, and she really would like to remain chaste even though she lived with Joseph.
peacecrusader888
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The pregnancy of Mary
Joseph and Mary returned to their home in Nazareth in Galilee. After a while of Mary's pregnancy, Joseph noticed Mary's condition. He was devastated. His heart was broken, destroyed, torn apart. He thought of not scolding Mary and that he just leave her. When he was about to leave her, an angel showed himself to Joseph. The angel said, "Joseph, don't be sad of your relation with Mary. Her virginity is more clear than glass. Her pregnancy which you noticed was not created by man. It was God who willed it. When that thing comes out, he will be the true Messiah. He will be called Jesus who will save the children of Adam."
When Joseph realized what the angel said, he calmed down. Sadness turned to gladness. Both he and Mary prayed and worshipped God and did His will. We have to emulate this hidden jealousy of Joseph to Mary by educating the one who has sinned and not mock him
This is in Pasiong Mahal, pages 19-20 and Matthew 1:18-23.
Joseph and Mary returned to their home in Nazareth in Galilee. After a while of Mary's pregnancy, Joseph noticed Mary's condition. He was devastated. His heart was broken, destroyed, torn apart. He thought of not scolding Mary and that he just leave her. When he was about to leave her, an angel showed himself to Joseph. The angel said, "Joseph, don't be sad of your relation with Mary. Her virginity is more clear than glass. Her pregnancy which you noticed was not created by man. It was God who willed it. When that thing comes out, he will be the true Messiah. He will be called Jesus who will save the children of Adam."
When Joseph realized what the angel said, he calmed down. Sadness turned to gladness. Both he and Mary prayed and worshipped God and did His will. We have to emulate this hidden jealousy of Joseph to Mary by educating the one who has sinned and not mock him
This is in Pasiong Mahal, pages 19-20 and Matthew 1:18-23.
peacecrusader888
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The lunar eclipse and fast
This is how I:
1. Discovered that Jesus was 32 solar years old and not 33,
2. Discovered that the Jews used to celebrate the Fast of Esther in March and not in February,
3. Confirmed that the Jews were celebrating Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach) using a purely lunar calendar, and
4. Concluded what the Jews did during the reformation of the Jewish calendars in 358 AD.
This is how I:
1. Discovered that Jesus was 32 solar years old and not 33,
2. Discovered that the Jews used to celebrate the Fast of Esther in March and not in February,
3. Confirmed that the Jews were celebrating Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach) using a purely lunar calendar, and
4. Concluded what the Jews did during the reformation of the Jewish calendars in 358 AD.
meghanwaterlillies
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some of the things you write are interesting
peacecrusader888
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Thank you. They came from the spirit of Ama's revelations that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17.
peacecrusader888
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This happened on 33 BC 04-01 (Julian) between the birth of John (34 BC 11-18; proleptic Gregorian) and the birthday of Jesus (33 BC 05-23; proleptic Gregorian).
First, I will describe how I discovered that Jesus was 32 solar years old and not 33. When you say you are 40 years old, you are 40 solar years old. One solar year has 365/366 days in a solar year, while in the Holy Bible, years are in lunar years. One lunar year has 354/355 days in a lunar year.
The ministry of Jesus started when He was about 30 (Luke 3:23). Adding thee Passovers (John 2:13, 6:6, 11:55) equals 33 years. I thought Jesus was 33 solar years old when He died.
According to the spirit of Ama, Jesus died in 1 BC (http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm ). If He died in 1 BC, then it must have been the year 34 BC when He was born. But it was not as explained herein.
First, I will describe how I discovered that Jesus was 32 solar years old and not 33. When you say you are 40 years old, you are 40 solar years old. One solar year has 365/366 days in a solar year, while in the Holy Bible, years are in lunar years. One lunar year has 354/355 days in a lunar year.
The ministry of Jesus started when He was about 30 (Luke 3:23). Adding thee Passovers (John 2:13, 6:6, 11:55) equals 33 years. I thought Jesus was 33 solar years old when He died.
According to the spirit of Ama, Jesus died in 1 BC (http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm ). If He died in 1 BC, then it must have been the year 34 BC when He was born. But it was not as explained herein.
peacecrusader888
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The first century AD historian Flavius Josephus said in Antiquities Book XVII, Chapter 6, Section 4: "And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon." This lunar eclipse was seen in Jerusalem!
In 34 BC, there were two lunar eclipses (Source from the Internet: Eclipse Prediction by Fred Espenak, NASA, GSFC, Lunar Eclipses, 100 BCE to 0 BCE): one on 04-13 (Julian) at 4:16 Universal Time (U.T. - time in London, England used as reference time) or 6:16 AM Jerusalem time, and one on 10-07 (Julian) at 7:00 U.T. or 9:00 AM Jerusalem time. Both eclipses occurred during the day in Jerusalem, hence, they could not have been observed there. They were day times. This is the reason why 34 BC was discounted as the year when Jesus was born.
In 33 BC, there were also two lunar eclipses: one on 04-01 (Julian) at 21:13 U.T. or 11:13 PM Jerusalem time, and one on 09-25 (Julian) at 7:13 U.T. or 9:13 AM Jerusalem time. 04-01 is chosen because it occurred in the evening and the eclipse was visible in Jerusalem. 09-25 is not chosen because it occurred in the morning (Jerusalem time), hence, the eclipse was not noticeable.
In 34 BC, there were two lunar eclipses (Source from the Internet: Eclipse Prediction by Fred Espenak, NASA, GSFC, Lunar Eclipses, 100 BCE to 0 BCE): one on 04-13 (Julian) at 4:16 Universal Time (U.T. - time in London, England used as reference time) or 6:16 AM Jerusalem time, and one on 10-07 (Julian) at 7:00 U.T. or 9:00 AM Jerusalem time. Both eclipses occurred during the day in Jerusalem, hence, they could not have been observed there. They were day times. This is the reason why 34 BC was discounted as the year when Jesus was born.
In 33 BC, there were also two lunar eclipses: one on 04-01 (Julian) at 21:13 U.T. or 11:13 PM Jerusalem time, and one on 09-25 (Julian) at 7:13 U.T. or 9:13 AM Jerusalem time. 04-01 is chosen because it occurred in the evening and the eclipse was visible in Jerusalem. 09-25 is not chosen because it occurred in the morning (Jerusalem time), hence, the eclipse was not noticeable.
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peacecrusader888
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1. The birth year of Jesus therefore was 33 BC. What was His age then? If He died in 1 BC (http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm), He must be 32 solar years old, that is, 1 BC - 33 BC.
2. Fred Espenak of NASA calculated the lunar eclipse to have happened on 33 BC 04-01 (Julian). Using a calendar converter, this date is equal to 33 BC 03-30 (proleptic Gregorian) and 3728 Nisan 15. The first century historian Flavius Josephus wrote that on the eclipse day, there was a fast to be celebrated a day before the eclipse. There was no fast on this date except the Fast of Esther. Zechariah 8:19 mentions the fasts, to wit: "Thus saith the LORD of hosts: The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerfulness feasts; therefore love the truth and peace." At present, the Fast of Esther is held on Adar 13 to be with the associated Purim Festival. Isn't it that the Fast of Esther was on Nisan 13 (Esther 3:12)?
3. Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach) were celebrated from the fourteenth to the twenty-first days of the first month of the religious year. By placing them at Nisan, the Jews were on the right note for this was when Exodus happened (Exodus 12:2).
2. Fred Espenak of NASA calculated the lunar eclipse to have happened on 33 BC 04-01 (Julian). Using a calendar converter, this date is equal to 33 BC 03-30 (proleptic Gregorian) and 3728 Nisan 15. The first century historian Flavius Josephus wrote that on the eclipse day, there was a fast to be celebrated a day before the eclipse. There was no fast on this date except the Fast of Esther. Zechariah 8:19 mentions the fasts, to wit: "Thus saith the LORD of hosts: The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerfulness feasts; therefore love the truth and peace." At present, the Fast of Esther is held on Adar 13 to be with the associated Purim Festival. Isn't it that the Fast of Esther was on Nisan 13 (Esther 3:12)?
3. Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach) were celebrated from the fourteenth to the twenty-first days of the first month of the religious year. By placing them at Nisan, the Jews were on the right note for this was when Exodus happened (Exodus 12:2).
peacecrusader888
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4. The Jews, led by Hillel II, reformed their calendars on 358 AD, 33 years after the Romans fixed Passover in March/April at the Council of Niceae. The Jews were silent about this reformation. It can be concluded that:
a. The Jews came out with just one calendar instead of two, which they were using today.
b. Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were held on the first month of their purely lunar calendar. They fixed these in the month of Nisan.
c. The Fast of Esther (Ta'anit Esther) on Nisan 13 was moved to Adar 13 to be with the associated Purim Festival.
d. The Feast of the Dedication called "Hanukkah" was placed on Kislev 25. Please see John 10:22-23.
e. The fasts observed on the fourth, fifth, seventh, and tenth months were fixed on Tammuz 17 (Tzom Tammuz), Av 9 (Tishah B'Av)
, Tishri 3 (Tzom Gedaliah), and Tevet 10 (Asarah B'Tevet).
f. In the new calendar, its epoch began at the age of the world (anno mundi or AM) instead of the exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt.
a. The Jews came out with just one calendar instead of two, which they were using today.
b. Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were held on the first month of their purely lunar calendar. They fixed these in the month of Nisan.
c. The Fast of Esther (Ta'anit Esther) on Nisan 13 was moved to Adar 13 to be with the associated Purim Festival.
d. The Feast of the Dedication called "Hanukkah" was placed on Kislev 25. Please see John 10:22-23.
e. The fasts observed on the fourth, fifth, seventh, and tenth months were fixed on Tammuz 17 (Tzom Tammuz), Av 9 (Tishah B'Av)
, Tishri 3 (Tzom Gedaliah), and Tevet 10 (Asarah B'Tevet).
f. In the new calendar, its epoch began at the age of the world (anno mundi or AM) instead of the exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt.
peacecrusader888
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Birth of Jesus
A decree was sent out that the world should be taxed. All went to his own city to register and be taxed. Since Joseph was of the house and lineage of David, Joseph and Mary went from Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem, the city of David. He and his espoused wife went and obeyed the decree even though Mary was great with child.
Here is the schedule of travel of Joseph and Mary:...
Saturday, 33 BC 05-18, 3728 Sivan 5, Jewish Sabbath (Acts 1:12)
Sunday, 33 BC 05-19, 3728 Sivan 6, departure from Nazareth to Bethlehem (Luke 2:1-5)
Monday, 33 BC 05-20, 3728 Sivan 7, travel to Bethlehem
Tuesday, 33 BC 05-21, 3728 Sivan 8, travel to Bethlehem
Wednesday, 33 BC 05-22, 3728 Sivan 9, travel to Bethlehem
Thursday, 33 BC 05-23, 3728 Sivan 10, arrival in Bethlehem; birth of Jesus, 1:50 am (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 2:6-20)
A decree was sent out that the world should be taxed. All went to his own city to register and be taxed. Since Joseph was of the house and lineage of David, Joseph and Mary went from Nazareth in Galilee to Bethlehem, the city of David. He and his espoused wife went and obeyed the decree even though Mary was great with child.
Here is the schedule of travel of Joseph and Mary:...
Saturday, 33 BC 05-18, 3728 Sivan 5, Jewish Sabbath (Acts 1:12)
Sunday, 33 BC 05-19, 3728 Sivan 6, departure from Nazareth to Bethlehem (Luke 2:1-5)
Monday, 33 BC 05-20, 3728 Sivan 7, travel to Bethlehem
Tuesday, 33 BC 05-21, 3728 Sivan 8, travel to Bethlehem
Wednesday, 33 BC 05-22, 3728 Sivan 9, travel to Bethlehem
Thursday, 33 BC 05-23, 3728 Sivan 10, arrival in Bethlehem; birth of Jesus, 1:50 am (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 2:6-20)
peacecrusader888
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Joseph and Mary left Nazareth for Bethlehem the following day after the Jewish Sabbath of 3728 Sivan 5 since they couldn't travel far on a Sabbath day. It took them four days to reach Bethlehem because Mary was heavily pregnant and could travel about 27 km per day (2.5 km per hour) only. Since they were poor, the people in Bethlehem did not accommodate them in their homes even though Joseph was from the house and lineage of David. They did not take pity of the state of Mary.
Joseph and Mary found a cave for farm animals at the outskirts of town. Since it was spring, the shepherds took their animals to the field to feed on the abundant tender grass. It was in this cave where they spent the night. The spirit of Ama said that Jesus was born at 1:50 am of 05-23. The cave lighted and smelled fragrantly.
The shepherds were afraid when an angel of the Lord came and announced the birth of the Messiah. The shepherds were the first visitors of Jesus. They bent their knees and kissed the feet of the newborn child in recognition of Him as their true king. The Three Kings were informed of His birth and arrived two weeks later.
These are in Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 2:1-20; and Pasiong Mahal, pages 19-22.
Joseph and Mary found a cave for farm animals at the outskirts of town. Since it was spring, the shepherds took their animals to the field to feed on the abundant tender grass. It was in this cave where they spent the night. The spirit of Ama said that Jesus was born at 1:50 am of 05-23. The cave lighted and smelled fragrantly.
The shepherds were afraid when an angel of the Lord came and announced the birth of the Messiah. The shepherds were the first visitors of Jesus. They bent their knees and kissed the feet of the newborn child in recognition of Him as their true king. The Three Kings were informed of His birth and arrived two weeks later.
These are in Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 2:1-20; and Pasiong Mahal, pages 19-22.
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