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Point taken , however people of all nationality flock to christian world in 2016 ,some even risk death , moreso in times of crisis is a safe haven so even after the slaughter of centuries millennia ago some good did come of it , in bigger picture . Today world is not so bad regarding war , stakes gone much higher now .So I've been reading some history lately. Holding at the Crusades. I was wondering:
What's the difference between conferring the shahid status on someone who dies in warfare vs. conferring indulgences for someone who goes to war?
Today is a moment. History is thousands of years.Point taken , however people of all nationality flock to christian world in 2016 ,some even risk death , moreso in times of crisis is a safe haven so even after the slaughter of centuries millennia ago some good did come of it , in bigger picture . Today world is not so bad regarding war , stakes gone much higher now .
Today is a moment. History is thousands of years.
Why is today the big picture?
"Atheism, true 'existential' atheism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful God, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true God.… Nietzsche, in calling himself Antichrist, proved thereby his intense hunger for Christ.”There isn't. Though this is the problem with Christianity and Islam, honestly. They preach anti-violence, they preach peace. Then when they need to kill someone, it's all "God will forgive you because I say so".
Exactly what does that have to do with what I said?"Atheism, true 'existential' atheism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful God, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true God.… Nietzsche, in calling himself Antichrist, proved thereby his intense hunger for Christ.”
Anti-Nazism, true 'existential' anti-nazism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful nazi, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true nazi.… Jews, in calling themselves anti-Nazism, prove thereby their intense hunger for nazis."Atheism, true 'existential' atheism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful God, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true God.… Nietzsche, in calling himself Antichrist, proved thereby his intense hunger for Christ.”
Seraphim RoseAnti-Nazism, true 'existential' anti-nazism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful nazi, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true nazi.… Jews, in calling themselves anti-Nazism, prove thereby their intense hunger for nazis.
It kind of doesn't make sense when you try to apply that logic on anything else.
Samuel Clemens.Seraphim Rose
Abraham GancwajchSamuel Clemens.
Sorry, I don't know enough authors to keep this game going.Abraham Gancwajch
When in Rome do as the romans do ?Sorry, I don't know enough authors to keep this game going.
So,you should not have got involved in this game,but you had.Sorry, I don't know enough authors to keep this game going.
There isn't. Though this is the problem with Christianity and Islam, honestly. They preach anti-violence, they preach peace. Then when they need to kill someone, it's all "God will forgive you because I say so".
I am 110% certain that you genuinely believe this. I am equally certain that if you change some of the proper nouns, that Christians also feel the exact same way. But this manner of rationalization falls short because of course a religious leader(or individual) will see the violence they commit as being well within that "very, very small confine". If you didn't believe(or were able to convince yourself) it was the only way forward, you wouldn't do it.No Islamic teaching condones killing on simply "the need to kill someone". Islam is very strict about warfare, it is only permitted withing very, very small confines of self defense, invasion and tyranny. There is no joy in it, it is not cold blooded and all hostilities are to be ceased if the enemy surrenders or asks for negotiations.
Even in the act of war itself, the cutting of trees and burning of grass/farm land is prohibited, except for in a few extenuating circumstances.
If Muslims are to fight a war (as a last resort) even that is done with honour.
This idea that preaching peace means complete non-violence is not only simple but impractical. Violence is required sometimes but never is it to be exploited.
I am 110% certain that you genuinely believe this. I am equally certain that if you change some of the proper nouns, that Christians also feel the exact same way. But this manner of rationalization falls short because of course a religious leader(or individual) will see the violence they commit as being well within that "very, very small confine". If you didn't believe(or were able to convince yourself) it was the only way forward, you wouldn't do it.
And that's the problem. It's child's play to be able to argue that in this set of circumstances, violence is acceptable. If it weren't so easy, religious terrorism simply wouldn't exist. Everyone is the hero of their own story, after all. But just thinking that doesn't make it so.
Point taken , however people of all nationality flock to christian world in 2016 ,some even risk death , moreso in times of crisis is a safe haven so even after the slaughter of centuries millennia ago some good did come of it , in bigger picture . Today world is not so bad regarding war , stakes gone much higher now .
UN resolutionsActually they flock to countries with laws basically allowing them to worship, or NOT, as they see fit. They are not flocking to a "Christian" world.
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Point taken , however people of all nationality flock to christian world in 2016 ,some even risk death , moreso in times of crisis is a safe haven so even after the slaughter of centuries millennia ago some good did come of it , in bigger picture . Today world is not so bad regarding war , stakes gone much higher now.
Ingledsva said:Actually they flock to countries with laws basically allowing them to worship, or NOT, as they see fit. They are not flocking to a "Christian" world.
UN resolutions
10. Emphasizes that respect of religions and their protection from contempt is an essential element conducive for the exercise by all of the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion;
11. Urges all States to ensure that all public officials, including members of law enforcement bodies, the military, civil servants and educators, in the course of their official duties, respect all religions and beliefs and do not discriminate against persons on the grounds of their religion or belief, and that all necessary and appropriate education or training is provided;
12. Emphasizes that, as stipulated in international human rights law, everyone has the right to freedom of expression, and that the exercise of this right carries with it special duties and responsibilities, and may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but only those provided by law and necessary for the respect of the rights or reputations of others, or for the protection of national security or of public order, or of public health or morals;
(a) The need to provide equal treatment to the combat of all forms of defamation of religions, thus avoiding hierarchization of forms of discrimination, even though their intensity may vary according to history, geography and culture;
(b) The historical and cultural depth of all forms of defamation of religions, and therefore the need to complement legal strategies with an intellectual and ethical strategy relating to the processes, mechanisms and representations which constitute those manifestations over time;
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(e) The need to pay particular attention and vigilance to maintain a careful balance between secularism and the respect of freedom of religion. A growing anti-religious culture and rhetoric is a central source of defamation of all religions and discrimination against their believers and practitioners. In this context governments should pay a particular attention to guaranteeing and protecting the places of worship and culture of all religous solutions