"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

[Halcyon]

"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

Discuss.


(Bonus points if you guess the song the lyric is from.)

 

[Wandered Off]

No idea about the song, but it's technically wrong. You have faith that your eyes are providing an accurate picture and that you are accurately interpreting it. To be sure, though, it requires much less faith than it would if you were to, say, read an account of the same thing - perhaps so much less that the lyric can be considered nearly true for practical purposes.

Man, that was a lot of words for such a waffle.

 

[Storm]

I know the song, but I cheated.

As to the topic, I'll use myself as an example. I believe in God because of personal experience. It could be argued that I claim knowledge, not faith, and this is the side I come down on. However, there's also an argument to be made that I have faith that I am interpreting my experience correctly, and this is not unreasonable.

So, do I have faith in God? I would answer no, but I can see how it's debateable.

 

[Willamena]

"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

Discuss.

To me, the quote suggests the idea that things we know through faith we know through the metaphorical "heart" --that is, intuitively, instinctively, coming from the unconscious mind rather than empirical sensation of the world around us.

 

[Heneni]

There is a scripture in the bible that refers to faith and sight..
goes something like 'walk by faith not by sight' (Have no idea about the song either)

We use our eyes to observe what we would like to call reality. There is a computer infront of me, and I know its there because I can see it.

Faith is spiritual eyes. (among many things) Faith knows that God is there because it can 'see' Him. We guide our steps not by that which is seen to our natural eyes, but unseen and clearly observable by our inner eye. Oh ye of little faith, Jesus often said. He probably commented on his disciples inability to see with their inner eye. If we were able to use our inner eye to look at our outer world, we would see things the way they really are. By that I mean that which i see with my natural eyes, is actually the illusion, and only that which I can 'see' with my inner eye is real.

 

[Dunemeister]

Faith essentially involves our senses, experience, and reason.

 

[The_Her3tiK]

"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

Discuss.


(Bonus points if you guess the song the lyric is from.)

Faith is used to define something as true when there is essentially an utter lack of evidence. By "using your eyes" and determining such a thing to be true, the need for faith becomes unnecessary, and essentially impossible. Basically, knowledge and faith cannot coexist.

 

[Dunemeister]

Faith is used to define something as true when there is essentially an utter lack of evidence. By "using your eyes" and determining such a thing to be true, the need for faith becomes unnecessary, and essentially impossible. Basically, knowledge and faith cannot coexist.

Why do people continually repeat these ancient and false aphorisms? Faith does not operate without or despite evidence. And knowledge and faith are not incompatible; knowledge is impossible without faith.

 

[UnTheist]

But religious faith is not the same as having faith that a river flows north

 

[Scuba Pete]

"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

Obviously written by someone who does not understand faith. It's not BLIND faith if you're using your eyes is accurate. Most faith is evidence based. I know mine is.

 

[Willamena]

Faith is used to define something as true when there is essentially an utter lack of evidence. By "using your eyes" and determining such a thing to be true, the need for faith becomes unnecessary, and essentially impossible. Basically, knowledge and faith cannot coexist.

While I somewhat agree with your definition, I don't believe that faith and knowledge are in any way mutually exclusive or cancel each other, because faith is in things that cannot be known (can only be reasoned or intuited). I think knowledge, in the form of evidence, strengthens faith.

 

[Heneni]

Obviously written by someone who does not understand faith. It's not BLIND faith if you're using your eyes is accurate. Most faith is evidence based. I know mine is.

Hi Scuba, I'm curious..we are saved by grace through faith. What evidence do you have that you are saved, but that I mean physical tangable evidence.

Heneni

 

[blackout]

For me faith is an active stance.
It is the motion of something done in a stance of active (chosen) assurity.
It is the suspension of disbelief.
(though it is not necessarily belief itself)

If I closed my eyes and crossed my fingers
that would not be a stance of power.

A stance of power plants the flag of faith firmly at its feet.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Hi Scuba, I'm curious..we are saved by grace through faith. What evidence do you have that you are saved, but that I mean physical tangable evidence.

Heneni

Gosh Heneni,

why does it have to be PHYSICAL? My evidence is almost completely spiritual. Just because it is spiritual, does not mean it ceases to exist.

 

[Scuba Pete]

For me faith is an active stance.

Amen sistuh! I can say that I believe that my brakes work, but I show my faith when my foot hits the pedal.

 

[Heneni]

Gosh Heneni,

why does it have to be PHYSICAL? My evidence is almost completely spiritual. Just because it is spiritual, does not mean it ceases to exist.

So you Do agree with the OP then?

 

[Scuba Pete]

So you Do agree with the OP then?

Please. I have already indicated that I disagree with the OP's statement. There is no need to play these little mind games like you have "caught" me in some sort of lie. I still disagree completely with that statement. Your non sequitur does not diminish that belief one whit.

 

[Heneni]

Please. I have already indicated that I disagree with the OP's statement. There is no need to play these little mind games like you have "caught" me in some sort of lie. I still disagree completely with that statement. Your non sequitur does not diminish that belief one whit.

Faith requires honesty. :run:

And servanthood.

 

[McBell]

"It's not faith if you're using your eyes..."

Discuss.

Seems perhaps it is referring to the attempt to prove a miracle is really a miracle.

(Bonus points if you guess the song the lyric is from.)

I believe the song title is something like "Waiting for a Miracle", though I know not who sings it.

 

[blackout]

I'm not even christian and I know what it means to see with the eyes of the spirit.
(as if this would be an elitist reality for christians only)