Isn't Chiristianity actually of TWO Bibles?

[outhouse]

Jesus was born a Jew, but he was a rebel

have any links for that????

because we know he was a teacher of judaism

He criticized Jewish leaders and Jewish customs

not all

he made it quite clear not to discount the old covenant

he started a movement away from mainstream judaism, but still retained most of the culture before he was killed

He was prosecuted and killed by Jews

wrong he was prosecuted and killed by romans

Why Christians hold onto the OT is hard to understand

only for you

since the God of the OT seems to be entirely different from the God Jesus describes

this is correct because the god of the bible evolves continually as different authors of different times write about their deity, the deity changes to match their current needs. You also had different editing of older books of the bible to match their changing needs when they needed to redefine said deity

hebrews were polytheistic in the early days up until second isaiah around 606BC when they made the switch to monotheism. You had elohim to start with and in times of war yahwey was worshipped. You had asherah and baal and more.


however christians were no different, with jesus on the scene and as they proclaimed he was a deity they had to define how divine he was. They could not have a seprerate deity, that would open up a big can of worms that reverted them back to polytheism. The trinity was born.

As ancient hebrews defined and changed their gods, so did christians as they defined the trinity.

They were not that different if you look at the grand sceme of things. The only difference is hebrews were monotheistic for about 600 years. christians were never monotheistic because it was based off the god deity and the son of god deity.

 

[Gaura Priya]

The more that I think about this idea, the more that it kind of makes sense that Christianity ends up using two separate Scriptures.

The whole ideology that Paul uses is to reference Jesus as a Messiah found in some 'prophecies' in the Tanakh; it is based on the whole idea that through Adam, everyone has died, but through Christ Jesus, we have been made alive.

Sometimes I wish though that Christians would stop using the Hebrew Scriptures, since it really has nothing to do with Judaism or with the Jewish Scriptures, but rather an interpretation of them thereof.

 

[Gaura Priya]

have any links for that????

because we know he was a teacher of judaism






not all

he made it quite clear not to discount the old covenant

he started a movement away from mainstream judaism, but still retained most of the culture before he was killed





wrong he was prosecuted and killed by romans





only for you




this is correct because the god of the bible evolves continually as different authors of different times write about their deity, the deity changes to match their current needs. You also had different editing of older books of the bible to match their changing needs when they needed to redefine said deity

hebrews were polytheistic in the early days up until second isaiah around 606BC when they made the switch to monotheism. You had elohim to start with and in times of war yahwey was worshipped. You had asherah and baal and more.


however christians were no different, with jesus on the scene and as they proclaimed he was a deity they had to define how divine he was. They could not have a seprerate deity, that would open up a big can of worms that reverted them back to polytheism. The trinity was born.

As ancient hebrews defined and changed their gods, so did christians as they defined the trinity.

They were not that different if you look at the grand sceme of things. The only difference is hebrews were monotheistic for about 600 years. christians were never monotheistic because it was based off the god deity and the son of god deity.

Judaism did not exist until monotheism was introduced to the Hebrew polytheistic religion... when Yahweh and Elohim and the others melded into one Divine Being, the revelations that followered from this one God, Yehovah, became the hallmark of Judaism.

 

[outhouse]

Judaism did not exist until monotheism was introduced to the Hebrew polytheistic religion...

got a link for that?

judaism goes back to the earliest form of religion hebrews used. thats back when they were polytheistic. the earliest book was almost 1000BC

Yehovah, became the hallmark of Judaism.

that is a later translation

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Christian leaders, especially in the Catholic church made up a hell to be a little more nastier as they went along. So much so that the hell that was taught in Catholic schools was unrecognisable to the hell described in the Bible. They even invented a place called "Purgatory" which does not even exist in the Bible. To come to think of it the Catholics were under the impression there were three Bibles, one was the old testament the other was the new and the one they invented themselves is called the Catechism.

 

[espo35]

While Jesus released us from Mosaic Law, 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

This, of course is Paul writing. At the time of his writing there was no "new Testament", so the scriptures he's referring to are obviously what we call "the Old Testament". So yes, they are helpful in knowing Gods' thoughts.

 

[loopus]

IDK. I just remember getting that book passed around that only had the NT and maybe the book of proverbs from the OT. Totally left out all the best stories.

Do you remember the name of this version of the Bible?

 

[Shermana]

Because the Tanakh contains all of the prophecies Christians claim Jesus fulfills. If they reject it, then they must also reject the prophecies.



It ceased being a branch of Judaism when its followers rejected the basic premises of Judaism and declared Jesus God.

The ironic part is how few of them have any clue what the prophecies are, and know that these prophecies are talking about Israel and the Law coming into the forefront. And they will cherry pick the prophecies. Isaiah 53 still counts but Isaiah 66 doesn't for some reason.

 

[charles brough]

Because the Tanakh contains all of the prophecies Christians claim Jesus fulfills. If they reject it, then they must also reject the prophecies.

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Yes, that is definitely what happened. That and Genesis were both essential to the completing of the Christian world-view and thus to making it a closed system of thinking for those times.

But times have changed and is now full of scientific holes. That, however, should not blind us to the process that made it so successful in that era. We should study that process and learn from it. . .

 

[charles brough]

Christian leaders, especially in the Catholic church made up a hell to be a little more nastier as they went along. So much so that the hell that was taught in Catholic schools was unrecognisable to the hell described in the Bible. They even invented a place called "Purgatory" which does not even exist in the Bible. To come to think of it the Catholics were under the impression there were three Bibles, one was the old testament the other was the new and the one they invented themselves is called the Catechism.

Yes, and I might add that there are other Bibles as well. The Greek/Russian Orthodox Bible and the Coptic Bible. That is four. Anyone know of more?

 

[Shermana]

Actually, Hell exists in the Old Jewish literature, and in the "Apocrypha" like Enoch and 2 Esdras. It wasn't invented by the Church whatsoever. The Sadducees if anything were notable for not believing in an afterlife.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

No. There is only one Bible.

 

[Shermana]

Is the Ethiopian Bible the same?

 

[D-MITCH777]

Ethiopian Bible

Here is a link about the ethiopian bible.

 

[D-MITCH777]

The O.T and the N.T are two different books. If Christians don't keep the O.T then they can not claim that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.

 

[Shermana]

Thank you Mitch, you are very much correct, Christians who throw out the O.T. don't truly accept Yashua as "Moshiach", they might as well claim that he was King of Scotland. Just because they claim to accept Jesus as Christ doesn't mean Jesus accepts their acceptance.

 

[Hawkins]

The O.T. is about how His Law being expressed through the Jews. The N.T. is about His Grace annonouced to the world (for humans from year AD 1 to AD 10000000000). They should be written differently because the audience are different, and the time during is different too. More importantly, it's normal that His Law is strict and His Grace is pleasant.

The O.T. also shows that He allows everyone's freewill to be fully execised here on earth but not without a bottom line. This bottom line is that humans won't be able to stop the message transmittion through out human history. In O.T., the Jews are the carriers and seeds of God's message of salvation. No one will be able to kill them in mass because God would allow the Jews to kill their enemies in mass in the first place to reserve His messengers (the Jews in this case).

Other than this, human brutalty is allowed, say, the Romans killed the Jews and banned them from setting foot to their own homeland, and later on Hitler killed the Jews in trying to wipe them out. Humans love killing each other, and God allows it happens to this earth as long as His message of salvation goes along.

In the end, He allows so such that your kind will not be able to pass the Law to get into His Kingdom in Heaven to mess things up there. So feel free to mess things up here and be judged. His sheep however can get through via Jesus Christ!

 

[the-jesusist]

Wiki - "A rebel is a participant in a rebellion; or more generally, an individual who resists authority or control."

Jesus resisted authority and control, derided the Jewish priests, healed on the Sabbath, touched a leper, allowed his followers to harvest and eat on the Sabbath, taught that "an eye for an eye made a lot of blind people", stormed the temple and irritated a lot of powerful people in the process. He claimed that Priests prayed in public just so others could notice them. He taught that "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" Not exactly Jewish philosophy. Definatly a rebel.

Jesus was arrested by the Jewish Sanhedrin who accused him and turned him over to the Roman authorities.

The God he describes, bears little resemblence to the vengeful, wrathful, God of the OT that seems to have a human personality and human failings.

I'll take the God of Jesus.

 

[idav]

I'll take the God of Jesus.

He got that God from the OT.

 

[outhouse]

Actually, Hell exists in the Old Jewish literature, and in the "Apocrypha" like Enoch and 2 Esdras. It wasn't invented by the Church whatsoever. The Sadducees if anything were notable for not believing in an afterlife.

sources please.

hell evolved no matter how you slice it.

sheol and hades were just dirt pits or graves