I would love to see every decent citizen of that country go out and buy a Qur'an ...
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Islamophobic 'victory'
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
The politics of hate is fueled by the publicized actions of the radical few.
Pitiful...
Pitiful...
Twig pentagram
High Priest
Think of all the countries where muslims are the majority. Non muslims are rarely treated as equals. I hate to say this, but I would be scared if muslims was the majority in America.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Here's a thought, they owe it to themselves to understand where new citizens to their nation are coming from, even it they dont like these new citizens, the religion of the Qur'an now effects daily life in the Netherlands, they have all the right reasons to want to go out there and buy a copy of the Qur'an.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I do not even buy the religious texts of those faiths I respect. why should I, or any one else, feel obliged to Buy the texts of a religion they reject.
The Netherlands perceives it has a problem with Muslims, to the extent that there is a sizable minority working actively to remove them from their society. The low countries generally seem to have similar feelings. The Ghetto mentality of the Muslims will inevitably lead to further conflict. Only full integration to the point of invisibility will resolve the position.
Any minority that marks itself out by dress and by living a separate parallel culture inevitably leads to social unrest.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
They should feel OBLIGED, especially if they feel threatened by these people, if they respect them, they should buy the Qur'an in order to understand their new fellow citizens, if they want the immigrants out and think that they are alien to them or even enemies, than they OWE it to themselves and their society to know their enemies and understand the ideology of the enemy.
I believe you are only half right, there is no reason for Muslims not to celebrate their faith, even in European societies, but to flash their faith arrogantly and to expect European citizens who are hardened by centuries of European history to bend themselves to meet Islamic standards, now that should be considered a national threat. Europe should follow the Israeli model, Israel has a population of about 20% Arabs, most of them Muslims, these Israeli citizens can wear the veils if they choose, they are free to build minarets, and they are free to enter the Israeli parliament, Europeans are going mental right now and pull out all these laws banning Islam, by the way, I am not saying whether they are right or wrong in their laws and bans, Europeans should know by now how to handle this.
Usually, it seems to be the case.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
They are not at all afraid of the Koran
To other faiths it is a worthless book.
In the same way that Muslims do not revere the Holy Bible, nor accept its truth.
I agree with this.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Simply put... these people do not respect Muslims... they want nothing further to do with them.
Those that have formed the anti-Muslim party represent a similar proportion of the population as do the Muslims. They will certainly not feel obliged to cater to Muslim wishes in any way. Their Society at large is indicating that the Muslims in the Netherlands have gone too far.
The eventual solution , if it is to be peaceful, is in the hands of the Muslims not their detractors.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Quit being so obssessively selective in what you chose to respond to. I clearly said if they feel Muslims are the enemy from within, then they OWE it to themselves and their society, to understand the Islamic ideology.
I'll be honest here and say Christians don't frighten me. Maybe that's because they aren't as scary as the extremes we've seen come from Muslim countries (killing people who commit adultery), or maybe that's because I live in a country where the super crazy element of Christianity isn't allowed much power.Because Christians are so much easier on the eye ?
I could easily co-exist with peaceful Islam provided they did not force me to live by the same standards. The same could be said for any religion actually. The key is to keep the crazies in check.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
I'm terrified of them. every time I see a Christian I insitinctively want to say: "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
You might have a point there, usually I get a long great with Christians, I sort of feel like their senior Jewish uncle, hopefully the one who will help them rid themselves of their dogma
but seriously though, I think Bill Maher put it great, when addressing one of the Christian ladies on 'Real Time', he said to her that they cannot outfanaticize these people (Muslims).Aye. my family lived in Morocco for centuries, one of the few Arab nations (if not the only one) that Jews have not been expelled from during the previous century. further more, many Jews and Muslims flourished together in Moorish Spain, practically creating what some people today call a 'Utopia'.
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