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Islam vs western values

Pro Gamer

Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It's My Birthday!
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

One thing that I like about islamic values is that it requires the adherent to remain commited to their contracts/treaties/covenants both to each other and to God.

I'm having an experience in my personal life where this other party is trying to back out on their contract with me. They didn't come to me, there was no discussion, they're just trying to find a way to back out on their agreement because... they want to. It's frustrating, and I think it's wrong. I invested in them. I took a risk. I was right, they've been successful. Now they want to cut and run.

Welcome to RF, btw.
 

Pro Gamer

Member
One thing that I like about islamic values is that it requires the adherent to remain commited to their contracts/treaties/covenants both to each other and to God.

I'm having an experience in my personal life where this other party is trying to back out on their contract with me. They didn't come to me, there was no discussion, they're just trying to find a way to back out on their agreement because... they want to. It's frustrating, and I think it's wrong. I invested in them. I took a risk. I was right, they've been successful. Now they want to cut and run.

Welcome to RF, btw.
you should have taken a sign in the contract paper from him
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes
I hope human civilization doesn't backslide into darkness like that.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

I think you have stated some truth but it would be, in my view, much more complicated.

In the case of many Islamic countries, the religion is conjoined to the political system. Current Western politics have the influence of religious people but it isn't joined at the hip with religion so I'm not sure it is quite comparable thought the results, as you mentioned would be true.

In a deeper view, I remember years ago when Islam/Political Rule in Iraq was removed and it became more secular. Immediately the streets were filled with material that included pornographic material which which would be anti-Islamic

So although religious morality would positions basically hold true, as would other religious morality positions regardless of politics, religion never really changes the hearts of man. So, although Islam may still hold a moral standard, it didn't mean that the people's heart were more moral--they just hid it until they could sell it again or do what they were already doing in their homes, more public.

Please don't take that as an anti-Islam statement. It isn't. The Islamic position does not change and i would agree with that statement. Just that it doesn't necessarily change the heart of a believer in Islam. The Christian position doesn't really change. People change.
 

Pro Gamer

Member
I think you have stated some truth but it would be, in my view, much more complicated.

In the case of many Islamic countries, the religion is conjoined to the political system. Current Western politics have the influence of religious people but it isn't joined at the hip with religion so I'm not sure it is quite comparable thought the results, as you mentioned would be true.

In a deeper view, I remember years ago when Islam/Political Rule in Iraq was removed and it became more secular. Immediately the streets were filled with material that included pornographic material which which would be anti-Islamic

So although religious morality would positions basically hold true, as would other religious morality positions regardless of politics, religion never really changes the hearts of man. So, although Islam may still hold a moral standard, it didn't mean that the people's heart were more moral--they just hid it until they could sell it again or do what they were already doing in their homes, more public.

Please don't take that as an anti-Islam statement. It isn't. The Islamic position does not change and i would agree with that statement. Just that it doesn't necessarily change the heart of a believer in Islam. The Christian position doesn't really change. People change.
i think christianity and other religions are already lost. christianity has changed to fit liberalist,lgbt and whatever but you won't see muslims accepting those things or claiming that to be allowed in islam just to fit in western world. we would never change islam for anything and it can never be changed for anything. it will remain forever while everything else will fade away
 

Pro Gamer

Member
How does this story you tell yourself impact how you live your life, @Pro Gamer ?

After all, you will not live forever to know if what you claim will be true. So how does it impact how you live today, now?
i don't need to be alive to know that something that stood for 1450 years despite all the oppositons will stand another thousand or million years in future. i live my life islamically
 

Audie

Veteran Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes
Guaranteed never to catch up with
the dark ages. Terrif
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

Your first post on the forum reminds me of mine.

Salaam and welcome to the forum.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
i think christianity and other religions are already lost. christianity has changed to fit liberalist,lgbt and whatever but you won't see muslims accepting those things or claiming that to be allowed in islam just to fit in western world. we would never change islam for anything and it can never be changed for anything. it will remain forever while everything else will fade away
No... I wouldn't agree that they are lost although it is true that some are trying to change what the Word of God said. But it is no different that Sunni's killing Shia and Shia's killing Sunni.

All religions have issues
 

Pro Gamer

Member
No... I wouldn't agree that they are lost although it is true that some are trying to change what the Word of God said. But it is no different that Sunni's killing Shia and Shia's killing Sunni.

All religions have issues
christianity that augustus and many others believed is not the same as what christians are believing right now
 

Pro Gamer

Member
Guaranteed never to catch up with
the dark ages. Terrif
what dark ages? Islamic values existed in 7th century and the same shariah is existing right now. it will exist in future as well but your western morality won't survive the test of time
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes
Why would any care about your proclamations and guarantees about an unknown future?
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes
That is literally not something that you are capable of guaranteeing.

But even if you could.

There is nothing about something lasting a long time that means that it is good or true or worthwhile.
 
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