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Is Trinity in the Bible?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Yasin, Dec 19, 2005.

  1. angellous_evangellous

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    The same faulty argument can be made for every word of the Greek text. No English words appear in the text, so nothing that we believe comes from the Bible.

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    Yor reasoning fails because the word for church is in the Greek text. A dynamic equivalent exists in the English language for the word that appears in Greek. However, there is no Greek word for Trinity because the theology of the Trinity is an interpretation of a collection of biblical texts.
     
  2. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    We are getting off track here. I disagree with your statement, but that was not the point I was making. :p
     
  3. Yasin

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    I agree:)
     
  4. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    I see you edited your post after I posted. Let me point something out. If English words appeared in the Greek text, there would be no need to translate, would there? :D
     
  5. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Unfortunately,

    the term ecclesia has been misunderstood by most christians. I simply refer to them as the "FFOF", or the "Faithful Few On Fire!" A good word study to get a grasp on what the church is all about is "remanant". It just might open your eyes!
     
  6. angellous_evangellous

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    Ah, I must have misread

    "The word 'Church' was never used in the Bible either, but that does not mean that it does not exist. :D It, to me, does not matter if someone uses the word trinity to describe the Father, the Son and the Holly Spirit. What's more important, Echoing ND, Christ's teachings or a word to describe something that helps some people to understand?"

    "The point being, it does not appear in the Bible, either does the word trinity. But that does not mean they don't exist."
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    So what are you trying to say?
     
  7. jeffrey

    jeffrey †ßig Dog†

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    LOL. Once again, if someone wants to use the word trinity to help them understand, more power to them. Just because the Bible does not use that exact word, does not mean it is wrong to use it. To each their own. :D
     
  8. jeffrey

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    Post me a link, kind sir! :D
     
  9. fromthe heart

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    I personally don't feel it is embellished at all... In the Garden Jesus then prayed to WHO? Why then did Jesus say it could be forgiven to speak wrongly of Him But NOT of the HOLY GHOST? I'm sorry but the way it appears to me is there IS a GODHEAD of 3 that are ONE and trinity is just a way to describe in our language of understanding....at least we haven't taken any of the Bible and reworded it to our liking as in the non-KJV's...There are 13 wrong interpertations in the KJV but those that testify to God the Father,God the Son, and the HOLY SPIRIT are NOT among them!

    You see these as man made how? It states all the way through the scriptures in one sense or another of one of the 3 in the Godhead in some capacity being refered as one of the 3 in the Godhead.

    Our teachings in our church is only based on scripture and we don't have any other book taught from..such as the book of morman,or revised versions of what some say is easier to understand....we do not make up anything or take anything away.(not saying that the book of morman does) but the revised additions have changed some of the proper text into something totally different than what it was intended to mean...I will not continue with this since you all feel it's ok to be duped by false teachings...I will stand by what we acknowledge to be the Trinity even if it is NOT written as such in scripture becasue it is a DESCRIPTION not scripture and most when upon learning of the scripture that speaks of the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost(Sririt) properly do understand that it speaks of the same and is NOT confussing if spoke of properly. If you have ever refered to any other words to get your point across other than scripture based words alone please tell me your opinion...if not I will chose for myself what I see in scriptures...show me scripture and you can change my mind.

    Respectfully,
    FTH
     
  10. Yasin

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    Truly your concept of God is Islamic, what is your Religion?
    Respectively, Yasin:bounce
     
  11. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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  12. Yasin

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    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Although it's not germane to THIS discussion, you can find my total belief system described RIGHT HERE!
     
  14. Yasin

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    What does Trinity mean to you?
    Respectively, Yasin:bounce
     
  15. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Please refer to the second post of this thread. I think I was pretty plain.
     
  16. Yasin

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    "O mankind! The messenger (Muhammed pbuh) has come unto you with the truth from your Lord. Therefore believe; (it is) better for you. But if you disbelieve, still, lo! unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth, and Allah(God) is the all-knowing, the wise. O people of the scripture, do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary was only a messenger of Allah and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "three." Desist, (it is) better for you. Verily Allah is one God. Far exalted is He above having a son. His is all that is in the heavens and the Earth, and suffice in Allah as a Trustee. The Messiah will never scorn to be the slave of Allah, nor will the favored angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him; Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their rewards in full and He will add unto them from His bounty. And as for those who were scornful and proud, them will he punish with a painful torture and they will not find for themselves any other than Allah as a friend or a supporter" Al-Nissa(4):170-173. That is what the Quran has to say for the matter,

     
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    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Well, there ya go. And when you go, you're gone! So, there ya go!
     
  18. angellous_evangellous

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    Thanks for being so clear. Is there any particular reason why you tout the NIV? The ESV is available on the same page, and is much more reliable. :eek:
     
  19. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Although this question is not germane to the current question either, I would point out that I like it better. Neither seem to be appreciably different, and I have spent my entire Christian existence using the NIV.
     
  20. jeffrey

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    I too read the NIV, until I got a Catholic Bible, and I find that so easy to read and understand. I mostly play in the NT, but it's so fluid.
     
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