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Is the Bible too Contradictory for All of it to be True?
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Milton Platt
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Doesn't have to be a contradiction within the stories. It could be a statement proven incorrect by geology, or archaeology, or cosmology, or physics, or biology, or chemistry, etc.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Really?
How so?
Milton Platt
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The question was if there were contradictions in the Bible stories. The answer is yes. It does not matter how they got there
Milton Platt
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Yes it would and that is as it should be. The OP did not ask those questions, and the one he asked was answered.
Here's the challenge: find any single "truth" in the Bible that cannot be refuted, directly and without over-interpretation, by something else from the very same Bible.
I'll give you just one example: the inherited sin of Adam. Is it possible that a child can be guilty of a parent's transgression?
YES
I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. Exodus 20:5 , Deuteronomy 5:9
NO
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Deuteronomy 24:16
Notice, please, that Deuteronomy, just one book of the Bible, comes down sides of the question. Since the Bible doesn't even seem to agree with itself, what "truth" do you think you should take from it?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Being guilty and being punished are two different things...
There's a silly quibble, if ever I saw one. So, explain to me which sin your father, grandfather or great-grandmother committed for you are personally guilty? Just one will do.
And tell me also, how "visiting the iniquity" is not anywhere near the same thing as punishing. Be sure to quote your Hebrew sources.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
The children are not guilty of their parents crimes.
They are merely being punished for their parents crimes.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/24.html#16 Except discipline and death are not the same thing. Death is the end of learning. Discipline is for learning something.
Is it a rhetorical question?
Okay -- then I declare that a God that would punish the guiltless is an abomination.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Preaching to the choir...
Sins against The God take a person off the way of holiness and because a person's descendants do not have the advantage of learning The Way it will take generations to get it back, usually, as it is not a law, but a warning.
Visiting the iniquity is punishing, but not death. See JOB. Job 2:5-6
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Gosh I hate Christian apologetics -- sophistry at its worst. It basically comes down to this: "if the meaning isn't quite palatable, then see if you can twist the words to make some other meaning that seems "better."
And you are throwing in the word "discipline" which was used in none of the texts I cited. Why? To suggest that maybe that discipline wasn't death? When really, in Deuteronomy, there really wasn't much else used as a punishment other than death (kinda like some US Red states).
Are you kidding? YOU say the two scriptures contradict each other. It is EXTREMELY obvious that they don't. Visiting a person's iniquity means disciple. Discipline is love. The other scripture says God DOES NOT cause the death of a son because of a father's sin. But God DOES cause discipline to a son because of a father's sin.
The sin of a father will not cause the death of his son. The sin of a father will cause discipline to a son.
The children and further offspring of parents who sin against God will suffer but the sin of the parents does not cause the death of the offspring.
I'd rather be an apologetic than stupid fyi
The children and further offspring of parents who sin against God will suffer but the sin of the parents does not cause the death of the offspring.
I'd rather be an apologetic than stupid fyi
So the son of David and Bathsheba was not killed (over 7 long, agonizing days) but merely "disciplined? Explain.
Good point. Except, was the child killed? Or did the child die a natural death?
I think Deuteronomy 5:9 is about the death penalty.
2 Samuel 12
13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You will not die. 14 But what you did caused the Lord’s enemies to lose all respect for him. For this reason the son who was born to you will die.”