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Is the Bible the inspired word of God?

dishcandanty

New Member
If scripture is from God then how come women are treated as second class citizens in the bible? What's more likely, that this is from God, or written by ancient man to put them in their "place".

If scripture is from God then why would God want you to give money to the temple upon the census? And the big question is how did the temple Rabbi's get the money to God? I bet they didn't. I bet they spent it.

If scripture is from God then how come unknown events that happened thousands of years ago were blamed on God when we no longer blame floods, disease, birth defects, drought, crop failure on God anymore? Maybe because primitive man had no other explanation for these events?

If scripture is from God then do you believe we should stone to death those who violate the sabbath? And for adultery?

You've got good points. Let me take a stab at answering.
Women's role in scripture. It is interesting that there isn't a whole lot of mention. Ill venture a bit and say that women are still treated as second class citizens. Pornography destroy's any virtuous perspective of women, it degrades their self worth. Men use and abuse women. I feel like most men treat women as library books. Check it out, go through it, and return it when your done. Is this acceptable? Also, go back 200 years. Women didn't have rights... Now go back 2000 years to scripture times. It was what the world was like at the time, im afraid. I don't think pinning up culture problems invalidates scripture.
"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." - John 19:26-27

Personally, if I was being executed, crucified, scourged, and dying. I probably wouldn't be thinking about taking care of my Mother. Nevertheless, the Savior of the world, in His moment of agony did. I believe He is a champion of Woman. It is a great example for me.

Money, Tithes, Fast Offerings. Yes, in a lot of cases, this was absolutely garbage. It was conspiring men designing the things of God for their own benefit. I don't see why this invalidates scripture though. Its wicked men misinterpreting it. Many churches do many wonderful things for the poor and less fortunate with this money. My family went through rough times and received that support until we got back on our feet. It was heaven sent assistance.

Supernatural events no longer associated with God? I still associate them with God. Frankly, Matthew 24, talks a lot about the different things that will happen as the world ages. "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." (v7)

Just because men have waxed cold in the love of God, doesn't change what is happening. We have greater understanding, and so we try to push God out of the picture. He's still there.

Stone the Heretics! Ok... lets be serious here. Moses, takes an entire people away from a great power. Miracles and Wonders, (Even if it was just happenstance and God wasn't associated) and they get released from bondage. And the first thing they do is build a calf and worship it. Wow, these people had issues (Not that I don't). So Moses, gives them the brutal basic. You do this, we kill you. It wasn't want God wanted to give, it only what they could accept.

Christ comes, and the people are ready for the next law. Matthew 5:21, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
To me, this says to be patient, long suffering, and loving of everybody. To the extent that you can suffer from them, and react in a Christlike way.

To thoroughly understand scripture, you have to understand the culture and circumstances in which it was written. Reading the scriptures without accompanying prayer, is as futile as having a Car and no gas.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
So in another thread I'm doing called Biblical Contradictions I'm having quite a few people post that they don't believe the bible is God's inspired word. If you do believe it is why? And if you don't please also give a reason as to why not.

the bible is the inspired word of man as a means to accept the indifference we are surrounded with.

the rain speaks for itself
why can't the god of the bible do the same?


answer:
because it's the god of the bible
 
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McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
He "speaks" to us through his word.
so, in a nut shell, what you are saying is that, knowing that his written word will be changed not only out of errors in understanding, but also by those who blatantly lie, decided that having fallacious, error prone, dishonest humans "preserving" his word is the best route to take?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Or it could be the laws God gave concerning the Israelites

take a step back and consider the implications of this

the god of the universe is concerned about a nomadic people?
really....? sounds absurd to me.

if anything the idea of god came from justifying the raids of neighboring villages and power.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
take a step back and consider the implications of this

the god of the universe is concerned about a nomadic people?
really....? sounds absurd to me.

if anything the idea of god came from justifying the raids of neighboring villages and power.


Implications? yes I agree with you.


when they were nomadic, they were still really displaced Canaanites, very polythesitic with peaceful gods of wisdom, [El] and war gods mirrored from a storm, [Yahweh] fertility deitiy, [Asherah] ect ect [Baal]
 

Vadergirl123

Active Member
so, in a nut shell, what you are saying is that, knowing that his written word will be changed not only out of errors in understanding, but also by those who blatantly lie, decided that having fallacious, error prone, dishonest humans "preserving" his word is the best route to take?
I don't really know what you just said? :confused: but it doesn't sound like what I believe about the Bible.
 

Hope

Princesinha
take a step back and consider the implications of this

the god of the universe is concerned about a nomadic people?
really....? sounds absurd to me.

And so it would.

That is part of the wonder of God....that He would deign to notice any of us. And yet, He does.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
And so it would.

That is part of the wonder of God....that He would deign to notice any of us. And yet, He does.

i find that to be leaning more towards hubris then being realistic considering all the needless suffering that surrounds us...but then again, it's our fault there's suffering, right? :sarcastic

how convenient.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Interesting thread... the scriptures claim that Jesus is the Word of God, but they never make that claim about themselves. They also never claim to be inerrant... only useful. In the New Testament, it suggests that the letter kills.

II Corinthians 3:4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant —not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. NIV
 

Vadergirl123

Active Member
there is no difference in the pottery or buildings of Canaanties and early Isaraelites, you cant even tell the difference for a few hundred years. But we do see these early Israelites habitating Israel after 1200 BC, with heavy influences from Mesopotamia and very little from Egypt.
I don't see how that point refutes the Bible?

Most of the early mythology is Mesopotamian in origin, legends like Adam and Noah and Abraham all originating from Mesopotamia and passed down through oral tradition and later retold giving the unique and beautiful hebrew herritage. Then redacted countless times after collections were finally put together.
Yes the Epic of Gigamesh is a mesopotamian story but it could've been based on the fact that the earth was at one point covered in water. Noah's sons, no doubt, told their children(who would've told their children and so on) about being in the ark and that would've led to the story by oral tradition. I don't disagree with you there. The the author of Genesis wrote down what actually happened, as he was inspired by God.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I don't see how that point refutes the Bible?
Because the Bible says that the Hebrews invaded Israel from Egypt. If they had been in Egypt, they would have adopted some Egyptian cultural indicators. However, the archaeological record shows no such influence -- nor does it show evidence of any kind of invasion from outsiders.
That's how it refutes the bible. This does represent a HUGE contradiction on the part of the Bible with reality.
Yes the Epic of Gigamesh is a mesopotamian story but it could've been based on the fact that the earth was at one point covered in water.
There is no geological evidence for a worldwide flood. Again: What we know conflicts with what the Bible says happened.
 
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