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Zsr1973 said:You have thoroughly deluded yourself.
I don't have to prove that Eloheem is plural.
Zsr1973 said:That fact is listed in every Hebrew lexicon on the planet. You prove it isn't plural using the bible, dictionary, or anything else.
Zsr1973 said:Regarding the tetragrammation that is falsely translated as "Jehovah", kindly check this link which leads to a Hebrew-to-English translation by an established website:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0102.htm
Go to Genesis chapter 2:8 and look at the second full Hebrew word and you will find Yod Heh Waw Heh in the Hebrew. It has been called "Yahweh" symbolizing "Good & Bad" but that is a Babylonian interpretation of the tetragrammation.
You may mock the facts as I reveal it to you, but there will be others who do the research and see that my words are true.
When Moses met God, God told him "I am that I am". "I am" in Hebrew is the same in Arabic "Anee" or "Ani" (Hebrew and Arabic are both rooted in the Accadian language). The equivalent deity in Sumerian culture is "Anu" and this is who Abraham would have known as God. (Check the Enuma Elish, one of the scriptures Abraham would have known as a Sumerian or "one of Shinar") However, it all comes from Egypt, and one of the major religious centers of that time was "Anu" in Egypt (called Heliopolis by the Greeks). It is not a coincidence.
So Moses returned saying "He who is" gave him the tablets which would translate as "Hu" which is still the hebrew word for "he". The Arabic equivalent is "Huwa". This is a singular pronoun describing one individual male deity and the name given was "Ya" meaning Oh and "Hu" (Huwa) meaning "he who is". So when you see the name "jehovah" you are seeing the name Moses brought back from the mount, "Oh he who is". The fact is that there was no J, V, O or E in the ancient hebrew language, so at the least it would have been pronounced Ya Hu Wa. Check the Wikpedia link below as to that fact.
Do the research.
The word "Hu" as a deity did not originate with the Hebrews, they learned it in Egypt as well. "Hu" represents the creative force of will in Egyptian spiritualism, the same spiritualism that Moses was raised in. Look it up.
Notice genesis 2:4 where it says "these are the generations of heaven and earth..". What are the generations that came from heaven? You don't know, and you can't possibly know in the English translation. The answer is in genesis 6:2 where "sons" of God came down to earth taking human wives. The Eloheem are beings like us, they have sex (Gen 6:2), they eat (Gen 18:1-8), they talk (Gen 3:8) yet you have no knowledge of them..
Zsr1973 said:You are the one who has no facts or research, and I am wasting my time and knowledge talking to you. You really don't want the truth, you want beliefs.
sandy whitelinger said:Well of course you won't because answering simple questions without posting more unrelated nonsense seems beyond you. It reminds me of the first tactic of avoidance, when in doubt, mumble.
Reversing the challenge seems to be a good ploy of avoidance for you as well.
You sure have a nice way of twisting and meandering. Perhaps sticking to one simple and clear line of thought would help tremendously. For example getting back to Elohim being a plural noun used to describe a singular you may want to start here:
http://www.wcg.org/lit/God/elohimp.htm
Your a funny guy. Third tactic of avoidance, accuse the other person of what you are guilty of.
angellous_evangellous said:Why start with a source that only makes dogmatic statements about Hebrew while offering no proof?
The mighty wiki actually has a decent article on it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
sandy whitelinger said:You said this, "I agree with all that you have stated in the last two post here..." in post #64 in response to Zsr1973. In one of those posts he said that the translation in Gen 2:8 that The Lord God refers to "Yahuwa specifies a specific deity from amongst a group of angelic beings, called Eloheem 'these deities." That puts you in a distinct minority. Perhaps I assumed you we agreeing with his statements when he said that the "correct" translation was "Yahuwa of the Eloheem."
sandy whitelinger said:Is that a translation?
sandy whitelinger said:Of course you did you claimed to be better than me. Not high aspirations on your part considering your opinion of my sottish statements.
sandy whitelinger said:In logic that is what is known as a Relativist Fallacy.
Zsr1973 said:I ended each statement with "check it out". Obviously you didn't.
Zsr1973 said:You claim I have avoided, yet it is you who has avoided. I have stated my case and refuted yours with evidence.
sandy whitelinger said:You remain obstinately ignorant.
wmam said:I recall stating that I didn't, however agree with his view on the name of the Most High. Maybe you should go and reread my remarks to him a little more carefully.
wmam said:Logic? LOLOLOLOLOL.......Is that what we call this? LOLOLOLOLOLOL..... Live long and prosper? LOLOLOLOLOL..... Pointed ears and all. Stop it please............. your killing me................Man I haven't laughed like that in a long time.............Thanks.
sandy whitelinger said:I may have assumed that you were referring to the use of the word "Yahuwa" in place of Jehovah rather than the whole term he used. My bad. Otherwise the translation he offered was pretty much the same as any.
Yes, I thought your logic was laughable as well.
Zsr1973 said:Once again sandy, you are wrong. the OT says that Yahuwa (Jehovah) is one. No where does it say that the Eloheem themselves are only one being. that is, unless you are refering to them as one group of whom one from amongst them may be spoken of at any one time. Such as the group of three who visited Abraham in the flesh, and one of them he considered "the Lord".
Let me try this in layman's terms. The "Mets" is a team of people (as the group of "Eloheem" is a team of angelic beings). However, Carlos Delgado is "a Met" (an individual Eloheem such as Gabriel). That doesn't mean the Mets over all is only one person. It means that at the time, he may be the individual Met who has presented himself. The owner, Fred Wilpon, is "the highest" in rank, but he does not go on the field (a "Most High" type). He sends his "Mets" to the field to do the work, but they all ultimately answer to him and he controls their overall destiny. As for the ones on the field (what the "earth" would be to an Eloheem), one from amongst them, the coach willie randolph, is the one Met on the field who is in the position of responsibility for the game (This is the "Yahuwa" (Jehovah) type).
the problem you are having is that there WAS an individual Eloheem (or THEHOS in Greek) who was given responsibility over us as Adamites and that was Jesus, who always defered to God in Heaven. Nowhere did he ever say He was God except in John where he says we are all Gods which is Thehos, and he refers to the verse in Psalms where it says we are all Eloheem, not merely men.
Regarding the Hebrews, there is no evidence anywhere in the world that any individual Hebrew from the entire Torah ever existed. However there is evidence that the Egyptian pharoah did exist, and he didn't talk about any Hebrews in his records. So you don't even know who you are talking about.
There is only one Most High. However, he has under him a group of many who do his will. The concept is above your head it seems. And if you can't dispute "a fool" such as me with facts, then you have nothing. Even though you have been rude, I tried to show you nothing but respect as well as respect your beliefs. The truth is you are not on my level of integrity. Speak of me however you like, but truth will remain truth.
sandy whitelinger said:See, I knew there was baseball in the Bible.
Eve stole first, Adam stole second,
St. Peter umpired (empired) the game,
Rebecca went to the well with the pitcher,
Ruth in the field won fame.
Goliath was struck out by David,
And a base hit made on Abel by Cain,
The prodigal son made one home run,
Brother Noah gave out checks for the rain.
Actually thought I believe God's team would be the.....Angels.
sandy whitelinger said:See, I knew there was baseball in the Bible.
Eve stole first, Adam stole second,
St. Peter umpired (empired) the game,
Rebecca went to the well with the pitcher,
Ruth in the field won fame.
Goliath was struck out by David,
And a base hit made on Abel by Cain,
The prodigal son made one home run,
Brother Noah gave out checks for the rain.
Actually thought I believe God's team would be the.....Angels.
Doesn't post #47 help in ANY way??Jay said:Present it.
Zsr1973 said:Once again sandy, you are wrong.
may said:The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord
"To my Lord (Master)." Heb., lA·dho·ni´.
is:
"Sit at my right handUntil I place your enemies as a stool for your feet." psalm 110 ;1 looking for a good translation that aims to get back to the original words of God,here it is online .
Read the Bible Online