That's just the point. Expand on your prior knowledge of the Absolute truth and you will be true to yourself. Who cares if another person is not wise enough to believe in God?
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Is God constantly trying to convince us of His Existence?
- Thread starter tomspug
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That's just the point. Expand on your prior knowledge of the Absolute truth and you will be true to yourself. Who cares if another person is not wise enough to believe in God?
Shouting doesn't work. Absolute truth is inside you, even atheist should know this.
That type of knowledge is what you survived on, until you learned what a bottle was and it was invented from an absolute form described in Aristotelean logic.:shout
There are two options. You think with the premises of the atheist or the religious person. Can you think of any other processes of logic?
It is not about power. It is about innate knowledge and the system of reasoning you use.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Yes, but that's irrelevant. The OP gave 2 options, and assumed that one of them had to be right. I gave another option, and so did others, which could also be right.
You understand it. God gave it to every one at birth. He is the light that lights every body at birth (John 1).
Wandered Off
Sporadic Driveby Member
Yet we are born atheists.
I did not grasp that. What third option. Please be more specific so I can differentiate between the arguments.
GadFly
We aren't born atheist either . One needs knowledge to choose. We are born innocent.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Look at the second post in the thread where I give the option of God existing, but not wanting to make himself visible to us, and for us to believe in him based only on faith.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
So, from the minute you're born you believe in God? We only come to believe in God when we are taught about Him. That's why Muslim children tend to grow up Muslim, Christian children, Christian, and so on.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
No, but atheism is an active stance. If one wishes to pursue the inanity of ascribing theology to newborns, the only rational conclusion is that they're agnostic, as this is the only neutral position.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Wacky nonsensical analogies aside, If god wanted us to know, he would make it unquestionably obvious. If you say the christian bible is his message to us, it would've been a very clear, concise, consistent, comprehensible and logical perfection. If it were crystal clear there wouldn't be umpteen thousand different denominations. I need more than mere words from an old book that's been translated and revised a lot throughout the millennia with vague, cryptic gobbledygook that's interpreted a billion different ways. Why does God need interpreters and middlemen, anyways? There are countless religions, countless holy books, and countless sects and offshoots, all making the exact same unsubstantiated claims of being the "truth". How am I to know which, if any, is the real deal? Everyone thinks theirs is the truth and all others are falsehoods, but only because that's what they were raised to believe based on what area of the world they were born in. I'm not impressed with any of that. I need something I can observe and experience.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I have to disagree. Atheism for an adult is only active because another option has been presented. Right now, I'm thinking of a creature that is not known to exist. Do you believe in that creature, even though you don't know what it is? Do you actively believe that it doesn't exist, even though you don't know what it is? Babies don't even have the concept of a god until we provide it for them. If we don't provide it for them, then they don't believe in it, and they don't even acknowledge its possibility, as an agnostic would.
(I'm sorry, S, if I come off harsh. I don't mean to, it's just the day I've had.
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Troublemane
Well-Known Member
If God is merely existence itself then everywhere you look you are seeing God. You are God and so am I and so is everyone, (sings kumbaya!) So the only way to reconcile the problem of a loving/hating God is that these are just two projections of emotional states from people onto a percieved external intelligence, and have no true relevance to the actual cosmic Being that simply is ALL there is.
does God love us or hate us? I think the question is relevant only toward a finite being capable of emotion. is the cosmos capable of having emotions????------HMMMMMM> Maybe it IS!!! Maybe we simply havent figured out how to communicate with it?
Or perhaps we knew how, but have simply forgotten....
does God love us or hate us? I think the question is relevant only toward a finite being capable of emotion. is the cosmos capable of having emotions????------HMMMMMM> Maybe it IS!!! Maybe we simply havent figured out how to communicate with it?
Or perhaps we knew how, but have simply forgotten....
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Agnostic means literally without knowledge. I don't believe in the creature you're thinking of because you told me that it's not known to exist, which tells me you're making it up. If you hadn't told me that, I wouldn't know whether to believe in it or not.
No worries, love.(I'm sorry, S, if I come off harsh. I don't mean to, it's just the day I've had.
No! You did not understand what I said. At birth every child is given the evidence of God. There is every possibility that a child will believe in the God his parents tell him about. That is my position.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You honestly believe a newborn has the mental capacity to grasp the concept of God?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No, it was to Gadfly's statement that "At birth every child is given the evidence of God." Sorry I should've used the quote thing when I posted.