Is Erotic Pole Dancing Immoral?

[sandy whitelinger]

How is that any of your business?

That would be a moral application of the art form. It's Scriptural.

 

[Circle_One]

Your saying I'm irrational?

Yes, I am. You're being completely irrational. We are trying to have a debate and you're bringing nothing to the table but discussions of mothers and wives. You've had nothing at all to say on the subject, except to be derogatory towards us for wanting to have such a discussion.

This is irrational.

But, but, it's a debate silly one. Plus she did say that there are some people Will Rodgers never met.

But, darling, you're not debating. You've not yet once discussed the debate at hand, so you can't use the "it's a debate" line. One must first be a part of a debate in order to claim they are actually in the debate.

If you'd like to debate the merits of my mother against the merits of yours, please, start another thread, as that is not what this thread is about.

Sweetie, if you don't like what we're discussing, or have nothing to say regarding the topic at hand, then the answer is a simple one: Shove off.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Yes, I am. You're being completely irrational. We are trying to have a debate and you're bringing nothing to the table but discussions of mothers and wives. You've had nothing at all to say on the subject, except to be derogatory towards us for wanting to have such a discussion.

This is irrational.

I have only degraded the rational of the topic. You're deluded.

But, darling

How degrading.

You've not yet once discussed the debate at hand, so you can't use the "it's a debate" line. One must first be a part of a debate in order to claim they are actually in the debate.

I've discussed the whole debate. It's as inane as discussing why dirt is dirty.

If you'd like to debate the merits of my mother against the merits of yours, please, start another thread, as that is not what this thread is about..

This thread is about morality. didn't your mother teach you the more broad aspects of it?

Sweetie.

There you go again. Restrain yourself. Or didn't your mother teach you that either?

... if you don't like what we're discussing, or have nothing to say regarding the topic at hand...

I'm discussing the topic at hand. You just don't like the nature of my imput.

then the answer is a simple one: Shove off.

Behave yourself.

 

[Sunstone]

Yes, I am. You're being completely irrational. We are trying to have a debate and you're bringing nothing to the table but discussions of mothers and wives. You've had nothing at all to say on the subject, except to be derogatory towards us for wanting to have such a discussion.

This is irrational.

My dear C1, are you begining to suspect like me that it would easier for us to introduce democracy to China than get Sandy to state even one rational reason why pole dancing is immoral? I know he has it in him. He just needs to get in touch with his inner rationality.

 

[Circle_One]

Heading to work now.

I'll return later to continue discussing what my mother has, and hasn't taught me.

 

[Halcyon]

My mother taught me how to put up a tent, that's a kind of pole dancing.

What's this thread about?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

My dear C1, are you begining to suspect like me that it would easier for us to introduce democracy to China than get Sandy to state even one rational reason why pole dancing is immoral?

Maybe after you mother explains the fundamentals of morality to you you won't need me to. Ask her first.

Later.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

My mother taught me how to put up a tent, that's a kind of pole dancing.

What's this thread about?

I think it's about the revelation of Uncle Phil's mother being the next messiah........?



Peace,
Mystic

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe after you mother explains the fundamentals of morality to you you won't need me to. Ask her first.

Later.

Fundamentals of morality? Sandy, would you be so kind as to point out in which post in this thread you yourself have demonstrated anything approaching a grasp of the fundamentals of morality? And please don't say that your mother, my mother, or C1s mother are the fundamentals of morality. That's just a blatant cop out.

 

[Sunstone]

What's this thread about?

Recently, it hasn't been about much more than an effort to get Sandy to see that he has yet to state even one rational reason for his position, and has instead resorted to mere emotionalism in an attempt to dupe others into believing he has a substantial and compelling moral position. Judging by the responses to his sound bites, however, the only one he's fooling is himself.

But, Paul, the thread is actually more interesting than the most recent exchanges would have you believe. At issue is whether or not erotic pole dancing is immoral. And one criterion for judging whether or not it might be immoral is to ask, "are the people involved (audience and dancers both) treating themselves and each other as more than a means to an end? That is, are they also treating themselves and each other as an end to themselves?"

I myself would argue that pole dancing is not intrinsically immoral, but rather that the morality of it depends on how the people involved treat themselves and each other. Do they treat themselves and each other only as means to an end, or do they treat themselves and each other as also ends to themselves?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Paul, the recent interaction has been the most relevant in the whole thread. don't let sunstone delude you.

Also there's the immorality of spending money on such activities while people are starving in Africa. Gosh, didn't your mother teach you anything.

 

[Mr. Hair]

'Tis amoral, surely, as any morality (or lack thereof) is derived from the circumstances and environment in which such an act takes place, and thus how it is perceived and interpreted both individually and collectively; which will vary from pole to pole.

Which for me rather makes this question somewhat academic, though undoubtedly interesting none-the-less. *smiles apologetically*

Though I dare say I've gotten a boiled egg lost somewhere along the way...

EDIT*:

and any morality or immorality of it obtains to the viewers[/b]

Not only that, but the pole dancer will also perceive and interpret those activities, and will doubtless form their own judgements as regards the relative 'morality' of performing them.

 

[Halcyon]

Gosh, didn't your mother teach you anything.

Only how to put up a tent, the rest of my education was left up to a motley crew consisting of a dog, two rabbits and a rather moldy scarecrow.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Which for me rather makes this question somewhat academic, though undoubtedly interesting none-the-less. *smiles apologetically*

See, I'm not the only one. :no:

 

[Sunstone]

Does anyone believe that pole dancing can be, under some circumstances, life enhancing, even life affirming? If so, what are those circumstances?

 

[XAAX]

Does anyone believe that pole dancing can be, under some circumstances, life enhancing, even life affirming? If so, what are those circumstances?

It's nice to see arguing threads that I am not responisble for.

What do you mena life enhancing Sun? I have met a few strippers and to my knowledge, none of them were happy to be where they were at. I think the only ones that would be pleased that it was their calling to strip, are a little low on the spiritual ladder. Just my opinion from the limited number of them I have met.

Oh, by the way, No...my mother is not responsible for my morals...thank god

 

[BFD_Zayl]

*peeps in* if people find it immoral, there is nothing forcing them to watch it, they can leave it alone, if the dancers think it's immoral, then they should not be dancing in the first place. now, i'm sticking to the OP, please do not drag me into a flame contest, this is a debate, not a slamming forum.

 

[Sunstone]

IWhat do you mena life enhancing Sun?

What about a customer who finds the experience of watching beautiful women strip and dance makes him happy? Or, enhances his life? Or, makes him want to live longer? Or, live more joyously? Or, allows him to forget his sorrows for a while? Or, allows him to emotionally affirm that living can be a good thing?

I have met a few strippers and to my knowledge, none of them were happy to be where they were at. I think the only ones that would be pleased that it was their calling to strip, are a little low on the spiritual ladder. Just my opinion from the limited number of them I have met.

I've met unhappy strippers too. But I've also met some well adjusted, happy and healthy ones.

Oh, by the way, No...my mother is not responsible for my morals...thank god

LOL! Do you mean to tell us that you do NOT apply the sacred "mother test" to determine if your morals are sound or not? How shameful of you to think for yourself!

 

[MaddLlama]

Frankly I'm too lazy to read all 12 pages of this debate but I have one thing to add:

Did it occur to anyone that "erotic pole dancing" is not just about strip clubs and strippers who do it for money? Pole dancing is a new trend in dance, and is gaining a lot of steam. They sell poles you can install in your own home to practice on and use to enhance your relationship in the privacy of your own home. Surely that is life enhancing. At least, sex life enhancing, which is I believe an important part of life.

This is a thread about pole dancing, not stripping for money. Is there something inherently immoral about dancing around a pole by myself in my living room? Or, does it only become immoral when it involves strangers and money?

 

[Sunstone]

Frankly I'm too lazy to read all 12 pages of this debate but I have one thing to add:

Did it occur to anyone that "erotic pole dancing" is not just about strip clubs and strippers who do it for money? Pole dancing is a new trend in dance, and is gaining a lot of steam. They sell poles you can install in your own home to practice on and use to enhance your relationship in the privacy of your own home. Surely that is life enhancing. At least, sex life enhancing, which is I believe an important part of life.

This is a thread about pole dancing, not stripping for money. Is there something inherently immoral about dancing around a pole by myself in my living room? Or, does it only become immoral when it involves strangers and money?

Hema and others have brought up in the thread that while they would oppose dancing for money in front of strangers, they would not be opposed to dancing for a significant other in the privacy of their homes. But, yes, you've made a good point. Especially the part about it being a potentially life enhancing experience.