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Is Donald Trump sincere?

philbo

High Priest of Cynicism
From the other side of the Atlantic, it looks very much like the Republican party is intent on making the USA more than simply a laughing stock, but an object of utter derision. Trump is just the latest of a line of wannabe candidates who appears to believe that to gain the Republican nomination what he has to do is be more bat**** crazy than the last guy.. and that's getting difficult now given the levels of asinine stupidity shown by so many of the GOP hopefuls.

The thought of any of the current crop of Republican candidates leading the most powerful country in the world is more than simply scary.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
to gain the Republican nomination what he has to do is be more bat**** crazy than the last guy..
The GOP has largely painted themselves into a tight corner. In order to win in presidential primary a candidate is forced to say and do things that won't get them elected in the election.

So with Hillary Clinton carefully managing the message and marshalling support while the GOP runs a circus I see her as inevitable. Of course, anything is possible. But possible is not the same as probable.
Tom
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
For me Trump is more intelligent than a lot of you give credit. I am sure there is an alternative motive. We may never know though because so many play into his hands, he's not smart enough.
Trump is definitely a genius, there's no denying that.
Its just that in addition to being smart, he's also so full of himself its a wonder he has room in that body for sillier things, like organs.
My wife thinks he would be outstanding. But I personally wonder if he has enough humility to hear another opinion, or to not upset everyone he meets. Being rude is not a positive trait in an anything.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
So one of the most efficient money grabbers wants to be president......
and sincerity is the question....

Of COURSE he wants to be president.

He would then be leading the economy.
 

philbo

High Priest of Cynicism
The GOP has largely painted themselves into a tight corner. In order to win in presidential primary a candidate is forced to say and do things that won't get them elected in the election.

So with Hillary Clinton carefully managing the message and marshalling support while the GOP runs a circus I see her as inevitable. Of course, anything is possible. But possible is not the same as probable.
Tom
I have to admit, Hillary Clinton as president kind of worries me: partly the whole dynastic side but the sort of baggage she carries is likely to be possibly even more of a polarizing figure than Obama has been (can I just say that I don't think there's anything either of them could do not to have had this polarizing effect: I don't think it is of their own making). Suffice it to say there are lots of people who really don't like the idea of another Clinton, before she even starts. If she does get the Democrat nomination, it's going to be a nastier, dirtier fight at the next election than possibly any that have come before. And that's not good for America, the rest of the world or democracy :(
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
I have to admit, Hillary Clinton as president kind of worries me: partly the whole dynastic side but the sort of baggage she carries is likely to be possibly even more of a polarizing figure than Obama has been (can I just say that I don't think there's anything either of them could do not to have had this polarizing effect: I don't think it is of their own making). Suffice it to say there are lots of people who really don't like the idea of another Clinton, before she even starts. If she does get the Democrat nomination, it's going to be a nastier, dirtier fight at the next election than possibly any that have come before. And that's not good for America, the rest of the world or democracy :(
Though it's a good year for a problematic candidate, given that the "other side" is so hopelessly fractured, I tend to agree with your points here. I'm a bit uncomfortable with the way she just sort of slid into the role of the lead candidate, with little real competition or discussion. Not that I would want a repeat of the primary grudge match she waged with Obama, but I wonder whether Democrats in general really feel that she was their "choice"?

But also, as you say, a lot of the problems are not of their making. The lack of a functioning legislative branch is hampering the effectiveness of any other branch of government right now... A Republican president would hardly be less divisive, after all. Divisive is, for now, pretty much how we roll.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
The GOP has largely painted themselves into a tight corner. In order to win in presidential primary a candidate is forced to say and do things that won't get them elected in the election.

So with Hillary Clinton carefully managing the message and marshalling support while the GOP runs a circus I see her as inevitable. Of course, anything is possible. But possible is not the same as probable.
Tom
So Hillary has not painted herself into a corner by kowtowing to the extreme side of the Democratic party? Of course she hasn't been asked any questions either. Now some think that one can not get elected as President if they are on the extreme left or right of economic and social issues. One thing that Hillary has going for her is, wait for it...........................................................................that the majority of the media outlets will not press her (yet) on any issue. Of course she hasn't been asked any hard questions by the media yet. That could pose a problem for her if she isn't "battle tested" in the political free-for-all of American politics. Of course no reporter, except for a few,(which will be kept away from her) will ask the hard questions followed by a follow-up question.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Suffice it to say there are lots of people who really don't like the idea of another Clinton, before she even starts.
I agree with every word of your post.
I was one of the people who was so obnoxed by the premise of yet another Bush/Clinton presidency that I willing to support anybody else. Obama came along and I was happy to give those people the shaft.
He has been a major disappointment. He turned into a right wing corporate flunky with an aftertaste of Christianity. Yuck.
But you can only vote for one the choices you have. I'm still waiting to see who our corporate masters let us choose between.
I'm saying this as a past supporter of Ross Perot and Howard Dean. Anyone but "those people".
Tom
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
So Hillary has not painted herself into a corner by kowtowing to the extreme side of the Democratic party?
Not even close.
Perhaps if you had a more balanced diet of news you would know that one of her problems is being unpopular with the extremely leftish Democrats. Her strong suit is the centrists, which tends to get the "independent" vote. We look at the choices, hold our noses, and vote for the least worst option.

Tom
 

Wirey

Fartist
Not even close.
Perhaps if you had a more balanced diet of news you would know that one of her problems is being unpopular with the extremely leftish Democrats. Her strong suit is the centrists, which tends to get the "independent" vote. We look at the choices, hold our noses, and vote for the least worst option.

Tom

This is something the Republicans consistently fail to understand.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Not even close.
Perhaps if you had a more balanced diet of news you would know that one of her problems is being unpopular with the extremely leftish Democrats. Her strong suit is the centrists, which tends to get the "independent" vote. We look at the choices, hold our noses, and vote for the least worst option.

Tom
And here newly released economic plan is geared toward "independents". Hmmm sounds a lot like Sanders and Warren.
Hillary Clinton Pitches Plan for 'Growth and Fairness Economy' - NBC News
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
And here newly released economic plan is geared toward "independents". Hmmm sounds a lot like Sanders and Warren.
Hillary Clinton Pitches Plan for 'Growth and Fairness Economy' - NBC News

You must be joking? Incentivizing (not mandating) profit sharing is her plan, and you think that it sounds like free college tuition, increase in SS benefits or breaking up Wall Street monopolism? Much less basic income or living wages?

Clinton is a right winger on most of these issues, if you go by sane standards. Your baseline of the GOP just happens to be so fringe that it regards these proposals as "socialism."
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Is he the sort of person you could trust as president?
He would be both laughed at and feared on the world stage.
Political self interest would be writ large.
 
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