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Featured Is all scripture (Presumably of the Bible) the word of God or Jesus?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    A recent statement triggered a new topic. One gentleman said that "all scripture is his word" referring to Jesus, obviously meaning the whole Bible is the words of Jesus.

    Now lets say a book like the first epistle of Timothy. It was written by an author who called himself Paul but he actually was not. Was this also the word of Jesus?
     
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    No, written by dessert dwelling men
     
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    Was the writer of Timothy a dessert dwelling man?
     
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    Maybe Jesus inspired, but the 'word' in Scripture is human.
     
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    If you mean is Paul a dessert dweller, yes?
    But it is now doubted that Paul wrote the these documents and instead they were written a couple of centuries later.
     
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    I think the proper statement is "All the Bible is inspired by God but not all of the words are God's word".

    For an example: Aaron said that the golden calf that he made was the god that brought the Israelites out of Egypt. It was written under the inspiration of God but it didn't mean the God agreed with what he said.

    So the whole Bible was truly written by inspiration but not all of the Bible are the word of Jesus
     
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    See, the OP doesnt say it was written a couple of centuries later.

    You said it was written by a dessert dweller. So who was it?
     
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    You missed the question of the OP. It was just one.

    Let me cut and paste it since you missed it.

    Now lets say a book like the first epistle of Timothy. It was written by an author who called himself Paul but he actually was not. Was this also the word of Jesus?
     
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    Now lets say a book like the first epistle of Timothy. It was written by an author who called himself Paul but he actually was not. Was this also the word of Jesus?
     
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    I don't know his name.
     
  11. KenS

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    The thought you presented isn't quite clear and maybe that is why I didn't answer correctly.

    What do you mean by "It was written by an author who called himself Paul but he actually was not:?
     
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    Do you even know where he lived? How did you assume he was a "dessert dwelling man"?
     
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    Isn't the middle easy 98% dessert?
     
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    KenS. I meant exactly what I said.

    It was written by an author who called himself Paul, but he actually was not.
     
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    How do you know where he lived?
     
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    Sorry if that is the case. You could clarify what I mean the way you did. Apologies.
     
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    Why do you say it wasn't Paul?
     
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    You mean you want evidence that it was not Paul who wrote Timothy? Sorry. Your statement was not clear.
     
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    I edited the post... I thought my statement wasn't kind.

    But, yes, what is the evidence?
     
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    Alright.

    1. Marcion of Sinope was an ardent believer of Pauline letters and he was the only one to have a New Testament canon early. This guy did not have Timothy in his canon included in the Pauline letters.
    2. The letter starts with "Paul, an apostle of Christ" or "Paulos apostalos christou" which is not Pauls manner of writing.
    3. Then there are other phrases attributed to Paul like the herald, with a clean conscience, and many others which are not the writing style of Paul.
    4. Some scholars have counted numbers and stats like about 30 or more percentile of the words in the letter does not correspond with any of the other letters of Paul.
    5. Women can be simply saved by just giving birth. These kind of theological differences to Pauls writings also do occur.

    If you want, another whole thread could be opened purely for this topic.
     
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