TagliatelliMonster
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It is a FUTURE individual, I was a fetus once, l presume you too
I was a sperm once, I presume you were too.
Therefore, masturbation is mass murder.
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It is a FUTURE individual, I was a fetus once, l presume you too
Fetus does not belong to mother
The law, roe v. wade, allows abortion from conception to birth. You may want late term abortions to be for emergencies, but what you want has nothing to do with reality.What decision?
"Late term abortions" are for emergencies. Like a friend of mine who recently had to get a "late term abortion" in order to give birth to the two nonviable fetuses within her uterus.
The myth is that women are changing their minds at the last second and getting "late term abortions" just for the hell of it. That's bull.
Really ? Murder is the unlawful killing of another by an act or failure to act. First degree murder is the unlawful killing of another with prior intent and planning to accomplish the death.As "murder" is a legal term, I'll respond in kind.
No, abortion isn't murder. There is no killing involved.
What an abortion really is, is the termination of a pregnancy.
A c-section, on other words, is ALSO an abortion.
At no point is a human foetus / baby / whatever killed.
A pregnancy is terminated.
This simply doesn't fit the definition of "murder". It just doesn't.
your wife = special case, if doctors determined so, I would not argue about that.My wife just had an abortion 4 months ago.
She was pregnant "the wrong way".
It was abortion or death.
My wife just had an abortion 4 months ago.
She was pregnant "the wrong way".
It was abortion or death.
You are begging the question.
SCOTUS has been wrong a time or three. The question is...should the law say so?
In Roe v Wade, the decision allowing unfettered abortion in the US
Until it gets overruled by another SCOTUS decision, it is the law of the land. I realize that people who love to hide behind the flag and the Constitution, are the same ones who do everything in their power to bend decision completely out of shape because they don't like it. Alabama, Missouri, Texas, et al.So pulling the "Scotus has decided" doesn't work here. Yes, SCOTUS HAS decided.
, and the question isn't decided by whether SCOTUS decides anything. The question is whether it was a good decision and should be over ruled or adjusted.
Don't come to me with 'SCOTUS settled it," or "fetuses aren't persons" or 'killing a fetus isn't murder" because the law says so. The question is...should the law say so?
You have shown nothing. Roe v. Wade has No, No, No limitations on abortion from conception to birth.No. That is not the question. The question revolves around...
That's the comment shmogie made that started this sub-thread. I have shown that Roe v Wade did not allow "unfettered abortion".
Your comments...
SCOTUS has been wrong a time or three....are meaningless in terms of my conversation with shmogie.
The question is...should the law say so?
No. That is not the question. The question revolves around...
That's the comment shmogie made that started this sub-thread. I have shown that Roe v Wade did not allow "unfettered abortion".
Your comments...
SCOTUS has been wrong a time or three....are meaningless in terms of my conversation with shmogie.
The question is...should the law say so?
Murder is just homicide that society has made illegal. We have not defined abortion as murder, so no. We usually don't assign to fetuses the status of persons, either.If it is murder, we have an obligation to stop it. (It's against the law)
If it's not then we have an obligation to affirm it. (It's a constitutional right)
So, I will ask again, is it murder? And why or why not?
Until it gets overruled by another SCOTUS decision, it is the law of the land. I realize that people who love to hide behind the flag and the Constitution, are the same ones who do everything in their power to bend decision completely out of shape because they don't like it. Alabama, Missouri, Texas, et al.
True dat about personhood.Murder is just homicide that society has made illegal. We have not defined abortion as murder, so no. We usually don't assign to fetuses the status of persons, either.
Really ?
Murder is the unlawful killing of another by an act or failure to act. First degree murder is the unlawful killing of another with prior intent and planning to accomplish the death.
Roe v. Wade made abortion legal in the US by way of the unenumerated right of privacy, and by denying the personhood of an unborn baby, for abortion purposes only.
The unborn meet all the criteria of personhood just after the beginning of the second trimester, and they feel pain.
Applying your logic, If I were taking care of my dotty grandmother, I wouldn´t be trying to kill her by not feeding her, I would only be trying to save money, a noble goal.
Roe will be revisited, and the personhood of the unborn baby will be established at some point during the pregnancy
An abortion after the point, except for legally defined exceptions, will be first degree murder, as it should be.
your wife = special case, if doctors determined so, I would not argue about that.
I am very sorry for your loss, and it was a loss.
It was a tragic choice; the fetus died, or both mother and fetus died.
Such choices are sometimes (and in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, always) necessary: tragic, and should be mourned for what they are: the unavoidable ending of one human life in order to save another, when there is no chance that both could be saved. No real, or reasonable, or possible, other choice.
But don't think for one minute that a human life wasn't ended, even though it WAS necessary.
It was.....and your wife's situation is NOT the same thing, nor her abortion done for, the same reason the vast majority of abortions are done; simply for the sake of convenience.
it is tragic but it is not baby's fault. i' ve seen on the news Izidi women had a child the same way, she loved that child had to leave her tribe because they would not accept that baby.Another women had an abortion after being gang raped.
it is tragic but it is not baby's fault.
i' ve seen on the news Izidi women had a child the same way, she loved that child had to leave her tribe because they would not accept that baby.
yes, it is her choice, but it is morally wrong, it is murder.There was no baby yet.
And that's her choice.
If she didn't want that child, for whatever reason, it is her choice and to then FORCE her to have that child anyway, is like raping her again.
Just like it was wrong of that tribe to try and force her to have it removed.
It's the woman's choice. Not yours, not theirs. Hers.
yes, it is her choice
, but it is morally wrong
and no it's not., it is murder.