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Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
Quite right. I think its worth keeping in mind that h05531n is obviously putting in lot of effort to communicate with us, not to mention that hes taking quite the risk by doing so due to the increasing internet censorship in Iran.
Civilized dialogue is the way forward.
Pastadamus
Member
Not to spoil the mood or anything but it's not completely that he works for the Iranian government in some capacity and is thus one of the privileged few who is permitted access to sites such as this. My guess if is he was someone willing to circumvent the local laws in Iran, his views might not be as favorable towards the regime. In any case it's known that a lot of big companies do this kind of thing and try to steer conversation on forums in a favorable direction; this is so common that it actually has a name: "astroturfing"
The Chinese have been doing this for some time: BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China's internet 'spin doctors'
As have the Russians: Web brigades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
I see no particular reason to suspect that’s the case here, and even if it was, our approach should be the same.
Quite so.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Not to come in the way of the civilized dialogue, but I just wanted to document this for posterity for all those forum members that always postulated that when Iranians say 'Marg bar Israel' they don't really mean 'death to Israel'. Or that when they say 'Shaitan' they don't really mean 'Satan', even though it is an Islamic republic who's religious jargon unavoidably means 'Satan' or devil when using the word 'Shaitan'.
Other than that, carry on. I'm sure I'll have something to say at some point.
Perhaps you cold speak for yourself rather for others, eh?
h05531n
Member
Iran's Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast says the fatwa (religious decree) issued by Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei on the prohibition of nuclear weapons is binding for Iran
There is nothing more important in defining the framework for our nuclear activities than the Leader's fatwa, Mehmanparast said during his weekly press conference on Tuesday
When the Leader expresses his religious viewpoint in the form of a fatwa, it will be mandatory for us to act according to it, he added
On February 22, 2012, Ayatollah Khamenei said the Islamic Republic considers the pursuit and possession of nuclear weapons a grave sin from every logical, religious and theoretical standpoint
Mehmanparast concluded, This fatwa is our operational instruction.
The United States, Israel and some of their allies have repeatedly accused Iran of pursuing non-civilian objectives in its nuclear energy program
Iran argues that as a committed signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it is entitled to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes
Iran-P5+1 talks
Referring to the talks between Iran and the P5+1 (Britain, China, France, Russia, and the US plus Germany), Mehmanparast said both sides had reached an agreement on the date of the negotiations
The Iranian official added that the agreement had been reached during a phone conversation between EU's Deputy Secretary General for Political Affairs Helga Schmid and Undersecretary of Irans Supreme National Security Council Ali Baqeri on Monday
The Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, however, did not mention the date of the next round of the talks
The deputy of [EU foreign policy chief] Mrs. [Catherine] Ashton is expected to inform us of the P5+1 response about the venue of the talks so that we could resume the negotiations, he added
Iran and the P5+1 have held several rounds of multifaceted talks mainly over Iran's nuclear energy program
Terrorist attacks in Pakistan
Mehmanparast also called on the Pakistani government to make greater efforts in combating terrorism
Unfortunately, terrorist attacks in regional countries have endangered the lives of innocent people and we expect Pakistans government to expend more effort in fighting terrorism, he said.
On January 10, nearly 130 people, including Shia Muslims, were killed and many others injured in a wave of deadly attacks targeting both Pakistani security guards and civilians in the country
All regional countries should cooperate to uproot this ominous phenomenon, Mehmanparast added
Terrorism is the result of the interference of foreign countries in the region; they created this ominous phenomenon in order to achieve their political objectives, Mehmanparast said, adding that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) can play a major role in mobilizing regional countries for the fight against acts of terror
The crisis in Mali
Commenting on the crisis in Mali, the Mehmanparast said, Our foreign policy is based on respecting the territorial integrity of countries, adding that foreign countries must cease their support for armed groups that threaten the stability and security of countries
Chaos broke out in the West African country after Malian President Amadou Toumani Toure was toppled in a military coup on March 22, 2012. The coup leaders said they had mounted the coup in response to the government's inability to contain the Tuareg rebellion in the north of the country, which had been going on for two months
French President Francois Hollande announced on Friday that his country had launched a military intervention in its former colony to fight against the rebels
Mehmanparast added, We believe security and stability must be established, the territorial integrity of countries must be respected and any popular demand must be met through democratic procedures.
The unrest in Syria
Referring to the ongoing unrest in Syria, the Iranian official said, We should all make efforts and continue consultations in order to restore peace in Syria.
Those countries that support violent means and seek to escalate conflicts and are dispatching arms to Syria should know that this approach is futile.
Mehmanparast stressed that the rights of the Syrian people must be respected through holding fair elections, adding that those who are against elections in Syria fear its results and are trying to undermine the prospects of such polls by increasing violence in the Arab country
The Iranian official said that defending the rights of the people in the region is a principle for the Islamic Republic
He further demanded an end to the violence in the Arab country to protect the lives of the Syrians and the prevention of any foreign meddling in the Arab country
Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011, and many people, including large numbers of security forces, have been killed in the turmoil
The Syrian government says the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the militants are foreign nationals
US anti-Iran allegations about Yemen
The Iranian official dismissed as baseless the US claims about Irans interference in Yemen
These baseless and unfounded remarks are aimed at leveling accusations at our country and creating a rift among regional countries, Mehmanparast said
US Ambassador to Yemen Gerald Feierstein on Sunday accused Iran of interfering in Yemens domestic affairs
Mehmanparast noted, We should remind the US envoy to Yemen that the movement by the people in the region and the wave of the Islamic Awakening have been the result of the Americans long-term support for regional dictators that has caused the regional nations hatred of the policies of the US officials.
He lashed out at the United States for seeking to interfere in the internal affairs of the regional nations, urging Washington and its allies not to interfere in the region and allow the people to determine their own fate
Press TV
There is nothing more important in defining the framework for our nuclear activities than the Leader's fatwa, Mehmanparast said during his weekly press conference on Tuesday
When the Leader expresses his religious viewpoint in the form of a fatwa, it will be mandatory for us to act according to it, he added
On February 22, 2012, Ayatollah Khamenei said the Islamic Republic considers the pursuit and possession of nuclear weapons a grave sin from every logical, religious and theoretical standpoint
Mehmanparast concluded, This fatwa is our operational instruction.
The United States, Israel and some of their allies have repeatedly accused Iran of pursuing non-civilian objectives in its nuclear energy program
Iran argues that as a committed signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it is entitled to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes
Iran-P5+1 talks
Referring to the talks between Iran and the P5+1 (Britain, China, France, Russia, and the US plus Germany), Mehmanparast said both sides had reached an agreement on the date of the negotiations
The Iranian official added that the agreement had been reached during a phone conversation between EU's Deputy Secretary General for Political Affairs Helga Schmid and Undersecretary of Irans Supreme National Security Council Ali Baqeri on Monday
The Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, however, did not mention the date of the next round of the talks
The deputy of [EU foreign policy chief] Mrs. [Catherine] Ashton is expected to inform us of the P5+1 response about the venue of the talks so that we could resume the negotiations, he added
Iran and the P5+1 have held several rounds of multifaceted talks mainly over Iran's nuclear energy program
Terrorist attacks in Pakistan
Mehmanparast also called on the Pakistani government to make greater efforts in combating terrorism
Unfortunately, terrorist attacks in regional countries have endangered the lives of innocent people and we expect Pakistans government to expend more effort in fighting terrorism, he said.
On January 10, nearly 130 people, including Shia Muslims, were killed and many others injured in a wave of deadly attacks targeting both Pakistani security guards and civilians in the country
All regional countries should cooperate to uproot this ominous phenomenon, Mehmanparast added
Terrorism is the result of the interference of foreign countries in the region; they created this ominous phenomenon in order to achieve their political objectives, Mehmanparast said, adding that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) can play a major role in mobilizing regional countries for the fight against acts of terror
The crisis in Mali
Commenting on the crisis in Mali, the Mehmanparast said, Our foreign policy is based on respecting the territorial integrity of countries, adding that foreign countries must cease their support for armed groups that threaten the stability and security of countries
Chaos broke out in the West African country after Malian President Amadou Toumani Toure was toppled in a military coup on March 22, 2012. The coup leaders said they had mounted the coup in response to the government's inability to contain the Tuareg rebellion in the north of the country, which had been going on for two months
French President Francois Hollande announced on Friday that his country had launched a military intervention in its former colony to fight against the rebels
Mehmanparast added, We believe security and stability must be established, the territorial integrity of countries must be respected and any popular demand must be met through democratic procedures.
The unrest in Syria
Referring to the ongoing unrest in Syria, the Iranian official said, We should all make efforts and continue consultations in order to restore peace in Syria.
Those countries that support violent means and seek to escalate conflicts and are dispatching arms to Syria should know that this approach is futile.
Mehmanparast stressed that the rights of the Syrian people must be respected through holding fair elections, adding that those who are against elections in Syria fear its results and are trying to undermine the prospects of such polls by increasing violence in the Arab country
The Iranian official said that defending the rights of the people in the region is a principle for the Islamic Republic
He further demanded an end to the violence in the Arab country to protect the lives of the Syrians and the prevention of any foreign meddling in the Arab country
Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011, and many people, including large numbers of security forces, have been killed in the turmoil
The Syrian government says the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country, and there are reports that a very large number of the militants are foreign nationals
US anti-Iran allegations about Yemen
The Iranian official dismissed as baseless the US claims about Irans interference in Yemen
These baseless and unfounded remarks are aimed at leveling accusations at our country and creating a rift among regional countries, Mehmanparast said
US Ambassador to Yemen Gerald Feierstein on Sunday accused Iran of interfering in Yemens domestic affairs
Mehmanparast noted, We should remind the US envoy to Yemen that the movement by the people in the region and the wave of the Islamic Awakening have been the result of the Americans long-term support for regional dictators that has caused the regional nations hatred of the policies of the US officials.
He lashed out at the United States for seeking to interfere in the internal affairs of the regional nations, urging Washington and its allies not to interfere in the region and allow the people to determine their own fate
Press TV
Pastadamus
Member
How can it be abuse when Hundreds of thousands of Iranians were shouting this after Ahmadinejad stole the election in 2009. Are you saying that all of those people should be silenced just because you don't agree with them? Why is their opinion any less valid than yours just because they don't support your politics?
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Obviously I'm commenting about what others have said many times over in the course of many debates on this topic. Perhaps you could follow your on advice. Now that would be refreshing although I'm not counting on it.
Oh, but I did.
I gave my views above, & we even had some discussion.
Did you read the thread?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Good for you. Now I'm sure we can have more of that civilized dialogue and keep the thread going, or do you want to discuss my post again?
Nothing further.
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
Yes, this is true.
Nuclear technology does produce medical isotopes, so this is true too.
Just the opposite. The US and the UK among others have offered Iran considerable help in getting supplies of nuclear material for energy/medical purposes, as per the NPT.
Various countries do possess nuclear weapons, and this is not a secret in most cases. Israel is a bit of an exception, they have a policy of deliberate ambiguity, meaning there is no official word on whether they have them or not. Its generally accepted that they do anyway, but then they (like Pakistan, India and North Korea) have not signed the NPT so they're allowed to do so.
Most Americans and the rest of the world are fully aware of this fact.
Yes, this information is widely available in newspapers and online.
Despite the anti-western media sentiments that seem to be common in the Middle East our newspapers are not generally run by our governments and we have a wide variety of sources thanks to the internet. In fact, the Wikipedia (a US site!) page on Iran and weapons of mass destruction says a lot of what youve mentioned in the first paragraph.
As you can probably tell by that page, the situation is quite complicated and has been brewing since the Islamic Republic.
The fools! Civilians shouldn't live under our bombs.
(OK, it's a silly remark, but it was fun.)
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Its not that funny for them or there families..
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Matemkar
Active Member
Salam/Peace.. I'm no iranian, but I admire Islamic Republic of Iran, government, people and everything.. And, I think about Islamic Iran we are misinformed a lot.. Even though, I am from a neighbour country, I can tell you that we also are disinformed.. like, when Turkish press told us that Iran is targeting Turks in the border.. But, when we studied it we found out that they are smugglers.. Iran does not arrest them because they are Turks.. It is because they are smugglers.. So, there may be much to every story we hear.. We should know that it also might be something used for the "keep away from em, be safe.." agenda of our governors.. I think, we should listen to both sides before making a judgement..
Anyway, about the "pastors" that detained there, once you study (I searched a few of them by iranian press also), you will find out that they are not jailed "for they simply preach christianity".. They were working against the government.. Really, (about Saeed Abedini for example) do you have to form home churches there (even though there are many Armenian and Assyrian public ones) and claim that you were trying to build an orphanage? If he is sincere, why not openly form one? or, even sincere about orphanage, why not join the ones already there? or even why support the santcions against iran? (because, as you already know, 500.000 children in Iraq died because of it.. and now iranian children are suffering because of the lack of drugs.. though there are reports on "Iranian medicine saving American lives" .. I think, "loving even the enemy" thing is just a statement Christians sing and Iranians perform..)
So, "should the sanctions be there at the first place, even on the aspect of their press" (like why mocking islamic prophets is seen as freedom for press, banning their news channel, presstv etc. is not) is something that need to be discussed, I want to get back to the topic of why Iranians are chanting slogans against the US govt. and Israel..
to be continued
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Anyway, about the "pastors" that detained there, once you study (I searched a few of them by iranian press also), you will find out that they are not jailed "for they simply preach christianity".. They were working against the government.. Really, (about Saeed Abedini for example) do you have to form home churches there (even though there are many Armenian and Assyrian public ones) and claim that you were trying to build an orphanage? If he is sincere, why not openly form one? or, even sincere about orphanage, why not join the ones already there? or even why support the santcions against iran? (because, as you already know, 500.000 children in Iraq died because of it.. and now iranian children are suffering because of the lack of drugs.. though there are reports on "Iranian medicine saving American lives" .. I think, "loving even the enemy" thing is just a statement Christians sing and Iranians perform..)
So, "should the sanctions be there at the first place, even on the aspect of their press" (like why mocking islamic prophets is seen as freedom for press, banning their news channel, presstv etc. is not) is something that need to be discussed, I want to get back to the topic of why Iranians are chanting slogans against the US govt. and Israel..
to be continued
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