I'm Not a Tolerant Person

[DNB]

It's not harmed me. Like those times I watched it with a few friends and giggled and laughed at how cheesy, corny, and lame it is.

You and your friends couldn't find anything more productive, and less perverse to watch?

 

[DNB]

Pornography is older than the written word.
Incidentally you can find it in what we now consider classical literature.
Yeah people studying classical literature are so harmed???

Oh, my mistake, I didn't realize that I posted on the comedy forum?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You and your friends couldn't find anything more productive, and less perverse to watch?

The more productive, probably not when being silly is the goal. Like when I made one of these friends a dick and balls cake for her 18th birthday (it was especially funny laughing at the guys there because they wouldn't touch the cake, lmao).

 

[DNB]

The more productive, probably not when being silly is the goal. Like when I made one of these friends a dick and balls cake for her 18th birthday (it was especially funny laughing at the guys there because they wouldn't touch the cake, lmao).

Good for them, ...not for you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Good for them, ...not for you.

It did me no harm.

 

[SomeRandom]

Oh, my mistake, I didn't realize that I posted on the comedy forum?

I’m just snarky by default.
But classical literature is actually really bawdy and in some artistic movements, they would juxtapose philosophy with pornography intentionally. See the Libertine Movement.
So again, what harm would that do to literature/art students studying the artistic/literary/philosophical movements exactly?

 

[Ashoka]

Pornography hurts everyone, the participants and the viewers.

We actually agree on something!

But I will say, I agree with Shadow Wolf about substance use. I work in the field; it's not a moral failing, it's a disease and it's an unfortunate one. They need a lot of compassion and perseverence.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Too hypothetical to ask the question '...if God does not exist...'. We are having this discussion and these contemplations for the exclusive reason that God exists.
But, either way, facts are facts, humans are horrible to each other, we're all hypocrites in that no one loves each other as they do themselves - we do not accept others to treat us, the way that we treat them. We're all selfish, entitled, bigoted, hedonistic, pugnacious, and perverted. Wars have been raging since time began, if it's not nation against nation, it's city against city, or family against family, or siblings against siblings, or spouses against spouses, .... Donald Trump got elected to be President of the USA, you tell me that people aren't messed up (those that voted him in, let alone him, himself).
No one needs a Bible to know that men are evil, the Bible just underscores this fact, and thus, instilling a faith in its veracity and inspiration.

Has a bad life contributed to this view of humanity, since I suspect few rational people would probably assess all of humanity as being so, and where you are seemingly being rather selective? Of course there is much that is bad in humans but just as much as there is good too - notice that Bell curve lurking in the background? Blaming the entire human race for what a small minority contribute is not rational, especially if one has the view that we are indeed an evolved animal species and hence still have much of our animal nature to deal with - rather than the evil which you and so many others might see instead.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

We are having this discussion and these contemplations for the exclusive reason that God exists.

I'm not. I don't believe that, and yet am still having this discussion.

we're all hypocrites in that no one loves each other as they do themselves

Really? I've already outlined my position on that, and it isn't yours, so if neither of is not measuring up to biblical expectations, the hypocrite would be the one who espouses them. I've already explained that I don't go to the Bible or any other holy book for moral advice.

And I meet my moral expectations for myself. Be kind, be fair, be responsible, be loyal, etc.. These are habits of thought and deed cultivated long ago, first by my parents, then by me when deciding on right thinking and right acting, that have just become automatic now. I have no need or desire to lie or steal, for example, and being charitable comes naturally.

It seems like many of the religious struggle to meet the standards given them by their religions, often because they are in the form of commandments that aren't realistic and difficult or impossible to achieve. Lok at how you flagellate yourself for not meeting the vague standard to love others as self. If taken literally, it's bad advice, and impossible to do, much as it seems that celibacy is impossible for many priests - also bad moral advice given in service of a selfish motive. If priests had families, since they don't generate income, their families would need to be supported by the church

I already explained that I love myself enough to buy a new car if I need one, but for my neighbor, it's unlikely I'll buy him a car even if he has none. I don't know if that's what this scripture to love others as self means to you, but if it does, it's just not a realistic commandment, and if it means something else to you - something closer to what I outlined - it's a poor choice of words, and I don't see why you and many others couldn't meet whatever you all interpret it to mean.

we do not accept others to treat us, the way that we treat them.

I'm beginning to believe that you don't know any decent people, or that if you do, your religious beliefs prevent you from seeing that. I'm still assuming that you are a Jehovah's Witness for reasons already given. They are the people who, in my experience, who comprise the vast majority of Christians with your extremely pessimistic view of the world.

Donald Trump got elected to be President of the USA, you tell me that people aren't messed up (those that voted him in, let alone him, himself).

Nice illustration of the effect your faith has on your opinion of reality. You see humanity in terms of Trump voters. I see it in terms of all voters, many of whom were decent enough to vociferously denounce his values and demeanor, in fact, a majority of them during the last election - you know, the ones the deplorables to whom you refer call victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome, people so morally bereft that they consider decency depravity.

No one needs a Bible to know that men are evil, the Bible just underscores this fact, and thus, instilling a faith in its veracity and inspiration.

It's the opposite for me. The Bible misses the mark at multiple levels for me, underscoring its ancient human origins and why it is not a reliable source for either truth or moral advice.

 

[DNB]

It did me no harm.

Yes, it did. It affects us all. We gain a rather objectifying and demeaning view of others. It elicits anxiety and lust. It's insatiable and hedonistic. Sex is an expression of love, not of lust.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, it did. It affects us all. We gain a rather objectifying and demeaning view of others. It elicits anxiety and lust. It's insatiable and hedonistic. Sex is an expression of love, not of lust.

Lust wasn't even involved during that particular time. No anxiety either, but lots of giggles over the farting noises during a scene involving fellatio. Nor have I ever acquired a demeaning view of others, and I certainly don't objectify people. And insatiable? Do you think we watch a lot of porn?

 

[DNB]

I’m just snarky by default.
But classical literature is actually really bawdy and in some artistic movements, they would juxtapose philosophy with pornography intentionally. See the Libertine Movement.
So again, what harm would that do to literature/art students studying the artistic/literary/philosophical movements exactly?

Liberty and promiscuity in sex, is basal and hedonistic. It doesn't require much philosophical reflection to perceive its primitive and subversive nature.
Being either a voyeur or an exhibitionist, is both depraved , uninhibited and indiscreet. If some frivolous and pretentious fool dares to include such activity into Classical literature, no surprise, classical work has always been degenerating throughout the centuries - look at classic rock.

 

[DNB]

We actually agree on something!

But I will say, I agree with Shadow Wolf about substance use. I work in the field; it's not a moral failing, it's a disease and it's an unfortunate one. They need a lot of compassion and perseverence.

No, don't make excuses for them. Substance abuse, or any other addictions, are both entirely voluntary and self-inflicted.

 

[DNB]

Has a bad life contributed to this view of humanity, since I suspect few rational people would probably assess all of humanity as being so, and where you are seemingly being rather selective? Of course there is much that is bad in humans but just as much as there is good too - notice that Bell curve lurking in the background? Blaming the entire human race for what a small minority contribute is not rational, especially if one has the view that we are indeed an evolved animal species and hence still have much of our animal nature to deal with - rather than the evil which you and so many others might see instead.

Even the nicest people sin, that's all that I'm trying to say.

 

[Ashoka]

No, don't make excuses for them. Substance abuse, or any other addictions, are both entirely voluntary and self-inflicted.

It's not an excuse. It's a disease. Some do it for pain relief. Some to numb emotional and mental pain. Coming off of substances is a long and painful process, and not many survive it. Withdrawal symptoms can kill you. That's why so many keep using. They use just to feel normal again, and because if they stop, without proper help, they can die.

Please, try to understand. People who use drugs are not evil. Many times, they are victims of trauma. They need love and compassion.

 

[DNB]

I'm not. I don't believe that, and yet am still having this discussion.



Really? I've already outlined my position on that, and it isn't yours, so if neither of is not measuring up to biblical expectations, the hypocrite would be the one who espouses them. I've already explained that I don't go to the Bible or any other holy book for moral advice.

And I meet my moral expectations for myself. Be kind, be fair, be responsible, be loyal, etc.. These are habits of thought and deed cultivated long ago, first by my parents, then by me when deciding on right thinking and right acting, that have just become automatic now. I have no need or desire to lie or steal, for example, and being charitable comes naturally.

It seems like many of the religious struggle to meet the standards given them by their religions, often because they are in the form of commandments that aren't realistic and difficult or impossible to achieve. Lok at how you flagellate yourself for not meeting the vague standard to love others as self. If taken literally, it's bad advice, and impossible to do, much as it seems that celibacy is impossible for many priests - also bad moral advice given in service of a selfish motive. If priests had families, since they don't generate income, their families would need to be supported by the church

I already explained that I love myself enough to buy a new car if I need one, but for my neighbor, it's unlikely I'll buy him a car even if he has none. I don't know if that's what this scripture to love others as self means to you, but if it does, it's just not a realistic commandment, and if it means something else to you - something closer to what I outlined - it's a poor choice of words, and I don't see why you and many others couldn't meet whatever you all interpret it to mean.



I'm beginning to believe that you don't know any decent people, or that if you do, your religious beliefs prevent you from seeing that. I'm still assuming that you are a Jehovah's Witness for reasons already given. They are the people who, in my experience, who comprise the vast majority of Christians with your extremely pessimistic view of the world.



Nice illustration of the effect your faith has on your opinion of reality. You see humanity in terms of Trump voters. I see it in terms of all voters, many of whom were decent enough to vociferously denounce his values and demeanor, in fact, a majority of them during the last election - you know, the ones the deplorables to whom you refer call victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome, people so morally bereft that they consider decency depravity.



It's the opposite for me. The Bible misses the mark at multiple levels for me, underscoring its ancient human origins and why it is not a reliable source for either truth or moral advice.

I'm not a Jehovah Witness. I'm a non-denominational Christian, who profoundly and vehemently rejects the deity of Jesus. ...just for the record.

 

[DNB]

Lust wasn't even involved during that particular time. No anxiety either, but lots of giggles over the farting noises during a scene involving fellatio. Nor have I ever acquired a demeaning view of others, and I certainly don't objectify people. And insatiable? Do you think we watch a lot of porn?

Sounds like you enjoy it on some level.

 

[DNB]

It's not an excuse. It's a disease. Some do it for pain relief. Some to numb emotional and mental pain. Coming off of substances is a long and painful process, and not many survive it. Withdrawal symptoms can kill you. That's why so many keep using. They use just to feel normal again, and because if they stop, without proper help, they can die.

Please, try to understand. People who use drugs are not evil. Many times, they are victims of trauma. They need love and compassion.

It's not a disease, it's self inflicted. Compassion is one thing, we all make mistakes, but i won't offer sympathy where it's not due. We can assist them towards there recovery, but I won't tell them that they weren't foolish to get themselves in this position, nor that they had no choice and couldn't have avoided it.

 

[Ashoka]

It's not a disease, it's self inflicted. Compassion is one thing, we all make mistakes, but i won't offer sympathy where it's not due. We can assist them towards there recovery, but I won't tell them that they weren't foolish to get themselves in this position, nor that they had no choice and couldn't have avoided it.

You're way off. For many people, it wasn't a choice. For many, it's a way to cope with rape, torture, homelessness, and food insecurity. It's absolutely a disease. And I will always, always stand up for them and help them on their path to sobriety, because they matter. Their lives matter.

 

[Viker]

29 pages in and a porn discussion. Impressive. I want to dance, naked.