When it is not done right?
Yes I do. I have a wife and daughter I provide for.
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Ok so you're aware that birth control is not just for "controlling birth" and even when it is, it's not just for "recreational sex" as written in a way to make it seem like it's about being irresponsible. It's for a variety of purposes, including controlling birth.
In fact, birth control is one of the major things that allows women to work, get graduate degrees and so on. "But they could just not have sex!" you may say, and yet the expectation for men is not the same and the consequences lie disproportionately on the women.
Perhaps the government should provide me with toilet paper because it would keep my undies cleaner too.
This is stupid because I never said the government should provide me with tampons. Living in a western country where they're available and I can attend school 4 weeks out of 4 rather than 3 weeks out of 4 sure is nice though.
Birth control is an option, not a requirement. I'm not against birth control, I'm against you wanting to have others provide it to you like it is an entitlement.
Sorry, where did I say that? I'm not on any right now because it's too expensive and HBC messes with me too much. You should want to have it provided because it's cheaper than paying for abortion or birth. It's fiscally conservative. Unless of course you have another plan for women who cannot afford to pay thousands of dollars to a hospital for a birth? Like, make them squat on the street or something?
You do realize we all pay for people who receive medical care but cannot pay, right?
In case you have not noticed, birth control IS accessible.
No, it's really not. I could go get a $10 a month pill, maybe, if I could find a Planned Parenthood still open. But that pill might not work right for me. If I'm lucky there'll be a generic, if I'm not, i could spend $150 a month or more on it. If I could afford that, I'd not be worrying about bills so much every month.
HBC is far more effective than condoms (as is an IUD) but even condoms add up quickly if used every single time and used properly - replaced if they slip off for example.
This is the whole point of the thread. Just because someone does not provide it to you for free does not mean you are unable to go out and buy it yourself.
This is ignorant. Just because the guy on TV says there's no women going without HBC due to cost, doesn't mean that's true. Do some research.
I guess it boils down to if your responsible for yourself or not.
Or it boils down to a society providing basic health care to the people in it. Because option B is getting knocked up and giving birth at home with no trained professionals because the hospital won't take people who aren't responsible for themselves -afterall, paying for the poor is irresponsible. Yay back to high levels of women dying of childbirth.
Women suffer disproportionately from lack of healthcare access than men do, because of childbirth in particular. Paying for this saves lives, improves standards of living, reduces the number of unwanted children, reduces the number of abortions and is cheaper than paying for births, abortions, and other more complicated treatments that are prevented by simple HBC.
Why else would you be having sex if you did not want a child except for recreation?
We established that it's all recreational, even if you want a kid. I thought sex was also supposed to be some sort of bonding thing between husband and wife, my bad.
Lets say instead of me wanting to have sex this Saturday, I want to play golf instead, should the government pay my greens fees? Think about it, if I am playing golf, I will not be causing women to get abortions. See how dumb that line of thinking is?
Yeah your line of thinking is REALLY dumb. It must be nice to have a penis, I swear. Obviously I'd just get it then, and could tell all the people with uterii how wrong they are about their own bodies! Yay privilege. (See also the fact that the panel Congress held was all men. ALL MEN.)
The other issue I have is your assumption that a woman will abort her child if she gets pregnant.
I made no such assumption, you did though.
Your options here, as a fiscal conservative, would be to a) support providing contraception as a cost saving measure or b) refuse all care to people who are irresponsible enough to be poor and let women die in childbirth because they don't have the Benjamins to get treatment. Let me know what you decide.
I think the point was that the Pill is cheaper than either birth related costs or an abortion.
That's a great point made a couple of times. Rick, what about the Pill used for other medical reasons? Is that acceptable?
Yes, he missed my point and I think the answer is still "blah blah irresponsible blah, recreational sex."