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If the Big Bang was Reproduction - Would the Universe be "Alive"?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Cooky, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. Cooky

    Cooky Well-Known Member

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    I was just thinking about how the universe is "growing" and how, if I could go back to the moment of the big bang, and watch the entire universe animate itself in a time-lapsed fashion - I wonder if I could view the universe as "alive" and life being the universe itself.
     
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    I think the universe is fully infinite and not growing. I don't think it could be viewed as alive with nothing living in it. Interesting concept though.
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    No -- instantiation is not reproduction.
     
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    So you are viewing the instant of the BB as the birth of the universe. I'd sure like to go back a universal 9 months and see the act of conception.
     
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    Define "alive."
     
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    I think not by itself. I imagine the physical universe to be part of something more complex but too simple, physically, to be brainy. A galaxy looks about as smart as a hurricane. A cell isn't as large and doesn't have as many parts as a galaxy but is far more complex in its motions than a galaxy. It adapts. Galaxies just poof.
     
  8. Cooky

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    It's funny, but there's truth in there... Makes you wonder.
     
  9. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Who knows? Maybe our definition of life is limited to only what our senses and intellect can acknowledge. After all we do indeed have a linear, and arguably narrow view of things.
     
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  10. rational experiences

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    If you live consciously only on the planet in which you survive as a human and consciousness, yet express egotism. Then you do, about knowing everything or claiming everything I discuss is relative just because I say so and group human agreement supports it. Where the cult mentality came from versus natural family existence for natural life.

    2 groups in total contradiction to existing.

    Everything that comes from out of space comes through our Earth heavenly gases, and our water and converts in that process.....burning light cooling of the gases in burning light, and water.

    Then science studies it. So what do you know? Really as a rational human, who says, bodies change when they move through our heavenly body, they convert, which science is aware of itself.

    Cause and effect he says as a scientific law for his cult group discussion agreements.

    Life he says could be out there, yet life is lived first on Earth and all of his studies about life on Earth relate to life on Earth, as a living human looking at it all, talking about it right here and right now. Living for about 100 years as a conscious expression making discussions that are not relative to the moment.

    The moment self bio life presence, the highest consciousness. So his discussions about quoting the past are irrelevant, and not rational at all.

    For the past in occult science is how to destroy and remove natural form actually on Earth the place where he lives. Not rational as a choice.

    Therefore as his penis in a male human life defines his being and how he expresses evaluations and his sperm he thinks is powerful, that it can inter relate with a female human body in sex to allow a new creation, not his adult male human self compared to...cells that form to own a baby.

    First scientific informed conscious history about FIRST thinking/awareness....before he even relates any other sort of information.

    So he only proves by the comment about reproduction, goes back to his original Creator human male self thinking thoughts first, why he is mistaken in science, for the only Creator theme he expresses and relates to is his own life human male baby continuance.

    Then you would ask, why he said ONE word expressive usage had ONE only meaning and said space is space. Describes space as emptiness, but then quotes that space is a womb, then human life/Genetics gets mutated attacked in his occult UFO sciences, belief that the Sun began life.

    Earth owns its own gas light burning, gases that came out of stone. Earth always owned natural light.

    So he proves his concepts as a conscious life expression are totally fake...and psychologists warned him about that circumstance of lying to self.

    When you tell your own male adult human self that you sacrificed your own male life continuance as a human and a holy little baby, that was your owned story, in relativity. That a stable life only exists in a stable atmospheric balance of natural light radiating. Not radiation mass. The reason you taught that story.

    When you live discussing any other body, the discussion is only about all the bodies you think about. And if male egotism wants to claim it is a reproduction, it would only be due to egotism that the comment would be expressed, which is not relative.

    Relative means who we are related to. The O one God stone philosophy quoted that all life was married in the Eyes of God, or relative to the face of God...meaning the stone upon which we walk and live. Which meant in human quotes, what you SEE is relative. When life as body and natural changes, then you SEE it is becoming changed....so are meant to be of logic and stop causing its change.

    If you actually express the thinking capability of making logical statements in information assessment.
     
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    Reproduction means taking something that exists and making a copy of it. If there was no universe before the big bang then it was not reproducing anything. It was creating something. Different process.
     
  12. rational experiences

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    Males in human science however talk God Earth O stone ONE and original theme in sciences, for all science formulas first involve the process of abstracting from the Earth body stone mass as science in all reasons.

    Your ORIGIN and One modern day theory is relative in relationship to the EARTH core actually.

    So in ORIGIN UFO cosmology the ufo mass bored massive sink holes right through to core radiation mass fusion, followed by above ground crystalline origin God O earth facure mass, followed by huge Earth saving flood, Earth sealed history, sun attack.

    What is relative is ONE, God the Earth, what coercive fake reasoning means.

    You discuss Big bang relativity as a conversation, yet God ONE the Earth is all the basis of you living as a human, thinking, talking science, removal of science information as Earth information and CORE origin relative is the core of Earth.

    So as you tried to copy ONE and origin for Earth, seeing it is Earth science and not big bang science, your reproduction first, says, I am not owning a machine to do big bang, which is a science lie. I am just talking about a belief.

    The real information was sink hole....one great big large sink hole...instead Earth and cosmos would not let you join all the sink holes together, so you made lots of new sink holes that did not own a tunnel relating to the Earth core combustion themes in the sciences.

    What coercive lying is about in reproduction you claimed a God core reproduction.

    And God owns all ONE quotes, no matter what you claim, no matter what stories you theme as coercive lying. For any human with use common sense would know if a scientist said big bang reproduction, first of all no mass existed....so it would not even be realistic.

    So then you have to ask the mind, what is he really doing and thinking.

    His machine today owns END...seeing the Earth core God origins is first and the ONE relating to radiation UFO sun mass conversion history.

    In relativity.

    So in the beginning of the science theme, God the O Earth was core blasted by the Sun gained lots of sink holes that were massive, but got sealed.

    What he was trying to mimic....as his machine can never own being ONE or original, only in his replicating theme is a non existing machine suddenly given one presence, or its first presence, yet not first in reality or natural, just first in his ownership science claim, machine never been built or used before themes.
     
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    In natural life, males in science talk about clear cold gases, then seeing coat of many colours, colder gases burning in space. Earth however in bio life owns blue light cold cooled gases/sky.

    Science said I will discuss owning coat of many colours. Replication/reproduction he says......the coat of many colours he says belongs to the male human adult life sacrificed. Before Jesus, they said his male life sacrificed, as an adult.

    So he is born a little baby, genetics healed. Males quote I will place time 0 relative only to the story/his story, relative to that quote only. For time is not a counting, only humans place time and age upon any condition in science. No reproduction there either.

    Gases burning owning coat of many colours his theme for the machine atmosphere.

    2 atmospheric conditions, cold clear black spatial night time sky to see everything, not relative to Earth. Blue light cold sky, light due to cooling of burning gases to own light.

    Coat of many colours does not belong to natural life, it is a story/theme that said how to sacrifice life.

    When a male proves he is lying as a human is by coercive reasoning. He places a subject to tell...without owning anything personally other than a bio life, as a sperm ovary baby inheritance. He can talk first 2 human parents, yet in relativity, his reproduction they are deceased....so all adult humans know by this reproduction ownership they will die. However they claim spatial relevance to always having existing owning no time reference, either for a beginning or an end....in relative thinking conditions.

    Science proves that it is a coercive liar, by placing male life thinker human ownership to states that he is only thinking about....but said Joseph was the Father of Jesus, said coat of many colours and sacrificed life.....which is due to machine conditions that manipulated gases for being separated colours.

    So if a male today wants to give natural light to his machine, we would no longer own blue light sky it would be machine inheritance only....clear cold gases, with burning lights of gases. No life, no natural atmosphere.

    Ask how you would achieve that situation, would be to big bang blast our gases into burning out the cooling function. What bodies in space do not own, water ground mass and water ground evaporation to cool burning gases as compared to copying out of space gases.
     
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    According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A universe that exists in the two states of seemingly visible matter and invisible energy.

    “Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

    The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

    ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

    The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

    Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

    A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.

    Only when we come to the realisation that this generation of the universe, has evolved from a series of parental universal bodies that have preceded this one, will science begin to realise the time scale involved in the evolution of man from mindless matter, which was created from the eternal energy.

    Another universe may have preceded ours, study finds. May 14th, 2006. Courtesy Penn State University and World Science staff.

    Three physicists say they have done calculations suggesting that before the birth of our universe, which is expanding, there was an earlier universe that was shrinking.

    To arrive at their pre-existing universe finding, Ashtekar’s group used loop quantum gravity, a theory that seeks to reconcile General relativity with quantum physics.

    These two seemingly fundamental theories are otherwise contradictory in some ways. Loop quantum gravity, which was pioneered at Ashtekar’s institute, proposes that spacetime has a discrete “atomic” structure, as opposed to being a continuous sheet, as Einstein, along with most us, assumed. In loop quantum gravity, space is thought of as woven from one-dimensional “threads.” The continuum picture remains mostly valid as an approximation. But near the Big Bang, this fabric is violently torn so that it’s discrete, or quantum, nature becomes important. One outcome of this is that gravity becomes repulsive instead of attractive, Ashetkar argued; the result is the Big Bounce.

    Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University, a cosmologist who has explored some related concepts, wrote in an email that the new research “Supports, in a general way, the idea that the Big Bang need not be the beginning of space and time.” The universe “may have undergone one or more bangs in its past history,” he added. Steinhardt and colleagues have also proposed a bounce of sorts, but it’s different. It could turn out that the two scenarios are equivalent at some deep level, but that’s not known, he added. Steinhardt‘s scenario makes use of string theory, another attempt to reconcile General Relativity with quantum physics. Some versions of string theory portray our visible universe as a three -dimensional space embedded in an invisible space having more dimensions.

    Our zone, called a braneworld [the word comes from its similarity to a sort of membrane] could periodically bounce into another, parallel braneworld. Such an event might look to us, stuck in a few dimensions as we are, as a Big Bang. “I don’t know if Ashetkar’s case translates into a bounce between braneworlds like we are describing,” Steinhardt wrote.

    Just as the Big Bang theory has been evolving over the years and is continuing to evolve as new data becomes available, these big Crunch theories that are just beginning to emerge are still in their infancy.

    Because three dimensional time as we know it, does not exist prior to the Big Bang: from the return of the universe to the supposedly infinitely hot, infinitely dense and infinitesimally small singularity of origin to the next Big Bang when three dimensional space and time would begin, it would appear that no time had elapsed, thus [As I believe] the erroneous Big Bounce theory.

    I would rather a theory which states that there are many galactic clusters [universes] out there within the eternal and boundless cosmos, each cluster=universe in its own position in Space-time, consisting of billions of Galaxies falling inward toward a Great Abyss, Black Hole, or Bottomless Pit, where it is torn to pieces Molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and reconverted into the electromagnetic energy from which they were created and accelerated along the dark worm hole to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, where that liquid like Electromagnetic energy passes through the fourth dimension where time as we know it does not exist, until it is spewed out in the trillions of degrees, somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the eternal and boundless cosmos, where, from the cooling quantum of that electromagnetic energy a new universe is created, or rather, the old universe is resurrected, to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.
     
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    In human life, you say resource and use it up as a fuel. If you did a conversion in deep cold empty space, as a reaction, does it get used up as an inventive resource for energy to be consumed?

    The answer would be no it would not be used up....but it would exist changed.

    If a human says such comments as when your first 2 human being parents did not exist, they are his owned first 2 parents also. Yet he thinks in a secondary scientific reasoning that is not one nor original for inference is for everything else not to be his.

    Why greed and ownership in relative natural existence and presence is a known human self realisation, a human teaching for a human as its own Teacher realising humans constantly discussed their own destructive themes yet never claimed self would be involved.

    Hence when consciousness demonstrates its own immorality, when the highest form of lawful laws, by science causes, the occult are said, never to murder or take life, yet males as conscious equating, being an overview including self, but non inclusive of self, what subliminal feed back is saying to the mind............is self life proof.

    Spiritual humans taught the exact same principles as do not kill or murder life, do so in a theme, but holy information also agrees to do it accordingly....is testament to self equating, but God told me so....meaning a Planet held naturally fused the review of a human study, informed a human male how to change it and not exist afterwards as a human life.

    Claiming but a holy body told me, and taught me how to achieve it.

    That mentality was taught to be an inherited future life psyche named as the Destroyer male self exhibited behaviour, whilst claiming highest spiritual awareness, which is in fact creation/scientific information.

    For if you are an adult first, and are not a baby second, then you are not a Father whose baby son claimed you sacrificed him.

    You are the original male adult self who did it to babies.

    Males own a want first, a non stop resource to resource from. Which states in a deeper/lower spatial pit/oblivion body, which would by pressure explode Earth into particles. Yet the metal core might remain intact.

    Earth owns the core O as a planet, that information taught to a male mind psyche is not anywhere else.
     
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    The universe is only so big and then its surrounded by nothingness or it's totally infinite but it repeats its self endlessly.
     
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    The universe is apparently expanding. "Growing" is a tendentious term to use.

    "Reproduction" implies a process of making copies. No theory of cosmology involves such a concept, so far as I know.

    So I don't think the analogy works, really.
     
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    And you think that this universe is the first and only universe to exist in space-time, do you? See post #14.
     
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    There is no evidence one way or the other about that, and it is a different question from the one posed in the OP, as to whether the universe can be said to be "alive" or not.
     
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