Unless you have more than this declaration, I will be going with what I have already concluded from scripture.Both totally wrong
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Unless you have more than this declaration, I will be going with what I have already concluded from scripture.Both totally wrong
Actually, I am pretty impressed with his knowledge of the Bible and other sources. He isn't going to change my beliefs, but have learned from his perspective and knowledge.You’re comments show a total lack of understanding of the Scriptures
from the...Tree of Life. They were not created immortal and the fruit of that tree would have made them so. God did not want them to do that.They are, as I've already told you more than once, an interpretation that doesn't exist till late in the second century BCE, and isn't an active part of Christianity till Augustine of Hippo makes it a big deal c. 400 CE.
Now, let's go through Genesis 3:22-23 again. It's where God gives his reasons for chucking Adam and Eve out of the Garden. If ever God was going to mention sin, or death entering the world, &c &c. it would be here. But NO! God gives them the boot for the sole purpose of preventing them from eating from the
Wrong, and already showed you about death, sin and the redeemer. Do you think there were chapters and verses in the Genesis story? The whole Bible is ONE STORY. The New Testament or Covenant is the Tanakh, Old Testament revealed.
In what sense wrong? It's exactly what the text says. You acknowledge that in the Garden story there's not a single word about death entering the world, and I've shown you God's only reason for expelling them from the Garden, namely to prevent them from becoming immortal like [him].Both totally wrong
At least I read what the words say. You might try that some time.You’re comments show a total lack of understanding of the Scriptures
Oh, really? I must have missed it. Quote me the part that mentions "sin". Quote me the part that mentions "original sin". Quote me the part that mentions "the fall of man". Quote me the part that says "Death entered the world". Quote me the part that says "You're going to need a redeemer".Wrong, and already showed you about death, sin and the redeemer.
You can't have read it. The Tanakh is a collection of books of folktale, folk history, here and there real history, rules, genealogies, songs, poems, a play, wisdom, politics, polemic and so on. It's about the Jewish God.The whole Bible is ONE STORY. The New Testament or Covenant is the Tanakh, Old Testament revealed.
And still wrong:Unless you have more than this declaration, I will be going with what I have already concluded from scripture.
Did Adam and Eve die? YesIn what sense wrong? It's exactly what the text says. You acknowledge that in the Garden story there's not a single word about death entering the world, and I've shown you God's only reason for expelling them from the Garden, namely to prevent them from becoming immortal like [him].
You know what that means? It means if you’re expecting to receive eternal life by the law you’re accountable to every jot and tittle, if you sin once you fail.after all, as Matthew 5:18 says, "till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
That was never the issue ─ they were always going to die; and as I keep pointing out to you, God kicks them out of the Garden for the express purpose of preventing them from becoming immortal.Did Adam and Eve die? Yes
You know what that means?You know what that means? It means if you’re expecting to receive eternal life by the law you’re accountable to every jot and tittle, if you sin once you fail.
Where you miss it:You know what that means?
It means you should be following the Jewish law because it's still in force; you should observe the Sabbath on Saturday, kill the witches, avoid menstruating women, never shave your beard, and only bonk your slaves in the manner set out in Exodus.
That's again a Christian take, not something found in the Tanakh. As I've mentioned, the Tanakh is the Jewish bible and if you want to know what it's about, don't waste time asking Christians ─ they've felt free to retrofit it with their own ideas from early on.Hebrews 9:6-15 NKJV
If that's what you want, I'm pleased you're happy.I’m free from sin with a clear conscience, worshipping and in fellowship with God my Father.
Sin no longer has a hold on me, I’m full of the Holy Spirit.
Not even concerned or interested in going down that path to nowhere. What is very clear is what I shared in Hebrews which is what the prophets saw in the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit was pointing to Jesus Christ. The New Covenant which I already shared from Jeremiah and fulfilled after Jesus rose from the dead and sent the Holy Spirit to live in all believers. The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.If that's what you want, I'm pleased you're happy.
But you still haven't shown me historical evidence of a Roman census that demands people register in their native village, and you still haven't shown me historical evidence of any "massacre of the innocents" and you still haven't come to grips with the significance of such fictions in the gospels ─ and there are many many more examples.
Historical accuracy is "nowhere"? You astonish me! Is that what you mean by "living by faith"?Not even concerned or interested in going down that path to nowhere.
And as I now say for the third time, if you want to know what the Tanakh means, ask your Jewish friends ─ because the Christian claims about the Tanakh prophesying Jesus are, to put it politely, unsustainable.What is very clear is what I shared in Hebrews which is what the prophets saw in the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit was pointing to Jesus Christ.
My Jewish friends are born again and are trusting Jesus Christ for Eternal life. In Him we live and move and have our being. He is very sustainable:Historical accuracy is "nowhere"? You astonish me! Is that what you mean by "living by faith"?
And as I now say for the third time, if you want to know what the Tanakh means, ask your Jewish friends ─ because the Christian claims about the Tanakh prophesying Jesus are, to put it politely, unsustainable.
I know you are, but I have hope.And still wrong:
John 3 and the reason Jesus came and said if you don’t believe Him you will die in your sin.
That does not mean you are immune from sin. It means that you are aware and doing all you can to avoid sin.You know what that means? It means if you’re expecting to receive eternal life by the law you’re accountable to every jot and tittle, if you sin once you fail.
As for me I’m trusting in Jesus’ righteousness and sacrifice and have received Eternal Life and no longer in bondage to the Law. Jesus did the work.
That's to say, they're not Jewish, they're Christians. So they're not the people to ask about the Tanakh.My Jewish friends are born again and are trusting Jesus Christ for Eternal life.
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”That's to say, they're not Jewish, they're Christians. So they're not the people to ask about the Tanakh.
Go and find some real Jews and ask them. (Do I really have to tell you that?)