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If science can't explain it,,,,

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, May 14, 2022.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    If science can't explain it,,,,

    Be it a god, a miracle, magic, something physically seen or
    physically experienced, or a personal experience....

    If science can't explain it, does it mean it isn't real, didn't happen, or isn't possible?

    The vote is anonymous, so vote honest :)
     
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    Seeker of White Light Free spirit

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    No :)
     
  3. Heyo

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    There is no such thing that science can't explain - only things that science can't explain, yet.
     
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  4. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Lol. If science can't explain it "yet"..... That means science can't explain it.
    But I like your dedication.
     
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    It is one of the core believes of science. The three founding axioms of science are:

    1. The universe is real.
    2. The universe is orderly.
    3. The universe is knowable.

    From #3 follows that scientists believe to be able to explain anything and everything that is real.
    And, yes, that is an unprovable belief.
     
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    Seeker of White Light Free spirit

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    So there are belief in science then. Its good to hear you say science holds belief too.
     
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  7. We Never Know

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    True or false?...

    "If science can't explain it "yet"..... That means science can't explain it."
     
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    Every formal system needs a set of axioms that can't be proven within the system. A mathematician has to believe there are numbers, a philosopher has to believe in logic.

    But there are different qualities of axiomatic (=belief) systems. A good system is parsimonious (has no more beliefs than necessary) and consistent (axioms don't contradict or lead to contradictions). Most religious system are not good systems in that regard, science and maths are.
     
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  9. Seeker of White Light

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    But how can spiritual teachings explain existence of God, when science dont have a clue how to even recognize existence of "unseen" aspects of existence?

    Sound like a faulty teaching to me.
     
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    You can spin it how you want, a "belief" is a "belief". Believing in something different doesn't make it less of a belief.
     
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    What was once was called magick is now science.

    No.
     
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  12. Heyo

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    If science can't explain it yet, that means science doesn't explain it.
    (See, I can play word games, too.)

    We should be aware of the ambiguous meaning of "can't".
    A bachelor can't marry and stay a bachelor. (It is impossible.)
    A toddler can't walk - but s/he can learn it. (Can't yet but not impossible in the future.)
    If "science can't explain it", it is always the second meaning, i.e. "can't yet".
     
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    You do like word games. Take the word game out and it says...
    "If science can't yet explain it, that means science can't explain it."
     
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    (Emphasis added.)

    If it isn't real, science doesn't deal with it. Lightning is a real phenomenon. It was considered divine but science explained it better. "Sin" has no real aspects, so science doesn't bother.
     
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    So if it isnt physical or science do not have tools to mesure it, it cant be real?
    Only when science can measure it, it becomes real?
     
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    Only someone with no experience of science would vote "yes". If science could explain everything, nobody would be doing any science research.
     
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    Which does not mean there is no magic.
     
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    Well, the word magic is sometimes associated with performing a ritual or action to manipulate things to the practitioner's liking.
    When put that way, I'd say the modern, secular world has gotten better at practicing magic then ever before.
     
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    “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C. Clarke
     
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    You misunderstand.
    200-years ago science didn't understand evolution.
    100-years ago we didn't know about the big bang
    Continental drift is a relatively new thing

    Science is all about finding out things we don't understand.
     
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