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If science can't explain it,,,,

If science can't explain it, does it mean it isn't real, didn't happen, or isn't possible?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 42 100.0%

  • Total voters
    42

We Never Know

No Slack
If science can't explain it,,,,

Be it a god, a miracle, magic, something physically seen or
physically experienced, or a personal experience....

If science can't explain it, does it mean it isn't real, didn't happen, or isn't possible?

The vote is anonymous, so vote honest :)
 
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Heyo

Veteran Member
Lol. If science can't explain it "yet"..... That means science can't explain it.
But I like your dedication.
It is one of the core believes of science. The three founding axioms of science are:

1. The universe is real.
2. The universe is orderly.
3. The universe is knowable.

From #3 follows that scientists believe to be able to explain anything and everything that is real.
And, yes, that is an unprovable belief.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It is one of the core believes of science. The three founding axioms of science are:

1. The universe is real.
2. The universe is orderly.
3. The universe is knowable.

From #3 follows that scientists believe to be able to explain anything and everything that is real.
And, yes, that is an unprovable belief.
So there are belief in science then. Its good to hear you say science holds belief too.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It is one of the core believes of science. The three founding axioms of science are:

1. The universe is real.
2. The universe is orderly.
3. The universe is knowable.

From #3 follows that scientists believe to be able to explain anything and everything that is real.
And, yes, that is an unprovable belief.

True or false?...

"If science can't explain it "yet"..... That means science can't explain it."
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
So there are belief in science then. Its good to hear you say science holds belief too.
Every formal system needs a set of axioms that can't be proven within the system. A mathematician has to believe there are numbers, a philosopher has to believe in logic.

But there are different qualities of axiomatic (=belief) systems. A good system is parsimonious (has no more beliefs than necessary) and consistent (axioms don't contradict or lead to contradictions). Most religious system are not good systems in that regard, science and maths are.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Every formal system needs a set of axioms that can't be proven within the system. A mathematician has to believe there are numbers, a philosopher has to believe in logic.

But there are different qualities of axiomatic (=belief) systems. A good system is parsimonious (has no more beliefs than necessary) and consistent (axioms don't contradict or lead to contradictions). Most religious system are not good systems in that regard, science and maths are.
But how can spiritual teachings explain existence of God, when science dont have a clue how to even recognize existence of "unseen" aspects of existence?

Sound like a faulty teaching to me.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Every formal system needs a set of axioms that can't be proven within the system. A mathematician has to believe there are numbers, a philosopher has to believe in logic.

But there are different qualities of axiomatic (=belief) systems. A good system is parsimonious (has no more beliefs than necessary) and consistent (axioms don't contradict or lead to contradictions). Most religious system are not good systems in that regard, science and maths are.

You can spin it how you want, a "belief" is a "belief". Believing in something different doesn't make it less of a belief.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
True or false?...

"If science can't explain it "yet"..... That means science can't explain it."
If science can't explain it yet, that means science doesn't explain it.
(See, I can play word games, too.)

We should be aware of the ambiguous meaning of "can't".
A bachelor can't marry and stay a bachelor. (It is impossible.)
A toddler can't walk - but s/he can learn it. (Can't yet but not impossible in the future.)
If "science can't explain it", it is always the second meaning, i.e. "can't yet".
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If science can't explain it yet, that means science doesn't explain it.
(See, I can play word games, too.)

We should be aware of the ambiguous meaning of "can't".
A bachelor can't marry and stay a bachelor. (It is impossible.)
A toddler can't walk - but s/he can learn it. (Can't yet but not impossible in the future.)
If "science can't explain it", it is always the second meaning, i.e. "can't yet".

You do like word games. Take the word game out and it says...
"If science can't yet explain it, that means science can't explain it."
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
But how can spiritual teachings explain existence of God, when science dont have a clue how to even recognize existence of "unseen" aspects of existence?

Sound like a faulty teaching to me.

scientists believe to be able to explain anything and everything that is real.
(Emphasis added.)

If it isn't real, science doesn't deal with it. Lightning is a real phenomenon. It was considered divine but science explained it better. "Sin" has no real aspects, so science doesn't bother.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
(Emphasis added.)

If it isn't real, science doesn't deal with it. Lightning is a real phenomenon. It was considered divine but science explained it better. "Sin" has no real aspects, so science doesn't bother.
So if it isnt physical or science do not have tools to mesure it, it cant be real?
Only when science can measure it, it becomes real?
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
If science can't explain it,,,,

Be it a god, a miracle, magic, something physically seen or
physically experienced, or a personal experience....

If science can't explain it, does it mean it isn't real, didn't happen, or isn't possible?

The vote is anonymous, so vote honest :)
Only someone with no experience of science would vote "yes". If science could explain everything, nobody would be doing any science research.
 

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
What was once was called magick is now science.

No.

Well, the word magic is sometimes associated with performing a ritual or action to manipulate things to the practitioner's liking.
When put that way, I'd say the modern, secular world has gotten better at practicing magic then ever before.
 
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