If Donald were a Democrat...

[Windwalker]

If Donald Trump were a Democrat and used all his lying, and fabrications, and fraudulent manipulations to push through the Democratic platform's agenda, trampling the Constitution underfoot, attempting to steal the election from the Republicans, and seize absolute power over all three branches of government for the sake of the things you believed in a Democrat, would you support him? Would you throw integrity down the toilet for the sake of getting what you wanted politically?

 

[exchemist]

If Donald Trump were a Democrat and used all his lying, and fabrications, and fraudulent manipulations to push through the Democratic platform's agenda, trampling the Constitution underfoot, attempting to steal the election from the Republicans, and seize absolute power over all three branches of government for the sake of the things you believed in a Democrat, would you support him? Would you throw integrity down the toilet for the sake of getting what you wanted politically?

What is meant by "Truth at the expense of integrity is no price to pay"?

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

No answer makes sense to me.

But all three might work for a donald supporter, I don’t know.

Does it matter what party a person is in?

Supporting donald requires only one characteristic, imo.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I've just been through this, in the election in Canada. I am a Liberal -- I support the Liberal party and have voted (mostly) Liberal throughout my long life. In our most recent election -- which happened just this past Monday -- I voted Conservative. I could no longer support the vanity and dishonesty of the Liberal leader (and Prime Minister), and felt that I could honestly support much of the agenda of the Conservative party and its leader.

I am a slave to my own ethics -- not to any political party.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No answer makes sense to me.

But all three might work for a donald supporter, I don’t know.

Does it matter what party a person is in?

Supporting donald requires only one characteristic, imo.

And what is that one characteristic?

 

[Windwalker]

What is meant by "Truth at the expense of integrity is no price to pay"?

Yeah, that was confusing. I tried to edit that, but it wouldn't let me. That means the truth of what we believe in, at the expensive of integrity, more or less.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, that was confusing. I tried to edit that, but it wouldn't let me. That means the truth of what we believe in, at the expensive of integrity, more or less.

You can ask the moderators to edit it for you.

(So tempted to check the last one since it appears to be anonymous)

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

And what is that one characteristic?

Ah yes.

You ask very good questions, my dear sir.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If Donald Trump were a Democrat and used all his lying, and fabrications, and fraudulent manipulations to push through the Democratic platform's agenda, trampling the Constitution underfoot, attempting to steal the election from the Republicans, and seize absolute power over all three branches of government for the sake of the things you believed in a Democrat, would you support him? Would you throw integrity down the toilet for the sake of getting what you wanted politically?

Donald Trump was a Democrat.

 

[Windwalker]

Donald Trump was a Democrat.

See? He couldn't get votes from Democrats because they had too much integrity. So he became a Republican, who would be willing sell their soul to the devil. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Twilight Hue]

See? He couldn't get votes from Democrats because they had too much integrity. So he became a Republican, who would be willing sell their soul to the devil. Proof is in the pudding.

Or they drove him mad and is out for blood.

 

[Yerda]

If I was convinced he would be the first step toward what I'd like to see happen?

I won't lie, I'd have to think about that.

 

[Windwalker]

Or they drove him mad and is out for blood.

lol. His father drove him mad, and that's why the whole world is now suffering. Poor broken mad Donald.

 

[Twilight Hue]

lol. His father drove him mad, and that's why the whole world is now suffering. Poor broken mad Donald.

His niece says he's mad as well. Trump is now suing her.

Quite a family.

Reminds me of the saying that you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends.

 

[Windwalker]

His niece says he's mad as well. Trump is now suing her.

Quite a family.

Reminds me of the saying that you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends.

Yes, he is mad. And his lawsuit proves it.

 

[Yerda]

His niece says he's mad as well. Trump is now suing her.

Quite a family.

Reminds me of the saying that you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends.

Can't vote for the family you get but you can vote for the pres...wait, never mind.

 

[exchemist]

Yeah, that was confusing. I tried to edit that, but it wouldn't let me. That means the truth of what we believe in, at the expensive of integrity, more or less.

I see. But isn't that just repeating the ends justify the means point, i.e. that the "truth" one subscribes to is more important than the avoidance of dirty tricks to spread it?

But overall I feel these questions of yours suggest a misunderstanding about why so many people were appalled by Trump. It was not just tribal politics. It was precisely because Trump engaged in constant lies and the stirring up of hatred, i.e. the political ends of the Republican party "justifying" the disgusting and socially destructive means. As far as Trump himself, I don't think he had any ideological drive, really. He was interested in power to feed his grotesque and fragile ego, and in spreading hate, because he is basically an evil person. He adopted short-term policies and causes that served these personal ends of his, as he saw that that was his best route to the power he craved.

No previous Republican president (and Bush Junior was pretty ghastly) has attracted anything like the same levels of disgust - and indeed fear for the future of US democracy itself. That is evidence that the antipathy towards Trump was something unique to him. And understandably so. There is no great mystery about it.

 

[ecco]

Donald Trump was a Democrat.

Perhaps he was. But he realized he could not get elected dog catcher running on the Democrat ticket. The general Dem population does not have millions of easily swayed one-cause (abortion) evangelists. The general Dem population does not have millions of gullible undereducated people that believe he can eg. restore coal miners' jobs. The general Dem population does not have millions of anti-immigration isolationists. I could go on, but you should get the picture - he did.

 

[Spirit of Light]