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If a tree falls down in the forest and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
If it is dark, and I mean no light what-so-ever dark, then it simply is no longer there.
If it cannot be seen, it isn't there.

What if you're holding it?

And does this work as well for kids who put their hands over their eyes and say they're not there?
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
So my green van is not green unless someone is looking at it?
What colour is it when no one is looking at it?
What color is it when there are no light waves bouncing off of it?

By definition sound is sound when it is percieved. Without a receptor it is not sound.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
What color is it when there are no light waves bouncing off of it?
Green.

By definition sound is sound when it is percieved. Without a receptor it is not sound.
By who's definition?

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1.the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium.
2.mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium, traveling in air at a speed of approximately 1087 ft. (331 m) per second at sea level.
3.the particular auditory effect produced by a given cause: the sound of music.
4.any auditory effect; any audible vibrational disturbance: all kinds of sounds.
5.a noise, vocal utterance, musical tone, or the like: the sounds from the next room.
6.a distinctive, characteristic, or recognizable musical style, as from a particular performer, orchestra, or type of arrangement: the big-band sound.
7.Phonetics. a.speech sound. b.the audible result of an utterance or portion of an utterance: the s-sound in “slight”; the sound of m in “mere.”
8.the auditory effect of sound waves as transmitted or recorded by a particular system of sound reproduction: the sound of a stereophonic recording.
9.the quality of an event, letter, etc., as it affects a person: This report has a bad sound.
10.the distance within which the noise of something may be heard.
11.mere noise, without meaning: all sound and fury.
12.Archaic. a report or rumor; news; tidings. –verb (used without object)
13.to make or emit a sound.
14.to give forth a sound as a call or summons: The bugle sounded as the troops advanced.
15.to be heard, as a sound.
16.to convey a certain impression when heard or read: to sound strange. 17.to give a specific sound: to sound loud.
18.to give the appearance of being; seem: The report sounds true.
19.Law. to have as its basis or foundation (usually fol. by in): His action sounds in contract. –verb (used with object)
20.to cause to make or emit a sound: to sound a bell.
21.to give forth (a sound): The oboe sounded an A.
22.to announce, order, or direct by or as by a sound: The bugle sounded retreat. His speech sounded a warning to aggressor nations.
23.to utter audibly, pronounce, or express: to sound each letter.
24.to examine by percussion or auscultation: to sound a patient's chest. —Verb phrase25.sound off, Informal. a.to call out one's name, as at military roll call. b.to speak freely or frankly, esp. to complain in such a manner. c.to exaggerate; boast: Has he been sounding off about his golf game again?
[Origin: 1250–1300; (n.) ME soun < AF (OF son) < L sonus; (v.) ME sounen < OF sunerson&#257;re, deriv. of sonus
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McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Wrong answer. Color is the light that is being given off by the car. If there is no light being given off it has no color.
I disagree.
Just because you cannot see the colour, does not mean that there is no colour.
But then, that is merely my opinion.
Just like the above is merely your opinion.



Number one in your list.
I see.
So completely ignore any of the definitions that show you are wrong and merely stick to the ones you like?
This is called "Counting the Hits and Ignoring the Misses."
 

waacman

Restoration of everything
This is one of those really odd questions with many different variables. First off we should remember that no one is there to percieve the tree falling which could mean that perhaps when the tree fell it didn't produce either vibrations or a "sound" (sound being defined as running through a means of processing or interpretation to come a conclusion of identification/differentiation) If the tree did make vibrations (assuming it works as when someone is there to percieve it) then it didn't make a sound, since a sound would be defined as running through a perciever. Kinda like if you don't percieve something, perhaps it isn't really there when you think it is, even though you percieved it being there just a moment before.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
This is one of those really odd questions with many different variables. First off we should remember that no one is there to percieve the tree falling which could mean that perhaps when the tree fell it didn't produce either vibrations or a "sound" (sound being defined as running through a means of processing or interpretation to come a conclusion of identification/differentiation) If the tree did make vibrations (assuming it works as when someone is there to percieve it) then it didn't make a sound, since a sound would be defined as running through a perciever. Kinda like if you don't percieve something, perhaps it isn't really there when you think it is, even though you percieved it being there just a moment before.
post # 48, Definition 2
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
If a tree falls down in the forest and no-one is around to hear it fall, i believe that the sound will not exist, as an interpreter is required to perceive the sound.

I've got it!! If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is there to hear it, no one percieves the existance of the sound. It is lost if it is not heard. BUT! If a tree falls down...and the twig on one of the limbs scratches an unsuspecting bears rump... the bear will be startled and run through the forest scared #*&%less... indirectly carrying the sound of the tree falling (being a part of it), through the forest POSSIBLY to further ears that would have otherwise been out of reach! Whom can deduce that a tree fell on the bears butt. Now here is a question:

If there are beings whom which the bears screams did not carry to, did the bears butt really get whacked by the falling tree??? :jiggy:he he.

Everyone is so concerned with these worthless sounds that they forget about the suffering of the animals involved! Geeeeeezzzz!
 

capslockf9

Active Member
What color is it when there are no light waves bouncing off of it?

By definition sound is sound when it is percieved. Without a receptor it is not sound.

As light goes through a prism the colors of the rainbow appear on the other side. Color is a product of light. nothing has color.
Everything (including you) is colorless vibrating electron clouds; from which electro-magnetic wave bounce of off.
 

rojse

RF Addict
If a tree falls down in the forest and no-one is around to hear it fall, i believe that the sound will not exist, as an interpreter is required to perceive the sound.

Sound is merely caused by vibrations of atoms, so sound must occur when said tree falls.

By the reasoning exhibited that it must be heard for sound to occur, what about sounds that are too high-pitched for us to hear, such as what comes from a dog whistle? Does no sound occur, even when you blow the whistle?
 

rojse

RF Addict
Another point, wouldn't there be all sorts of creatures that can hear the sound, even if they are inconsequential forest creatures, such as small birds and so forth?
 

capslockf9

Active Member
Sound is merely caused by vibrations of atoms, so sound must occur when said tree falls.

By the reasoning exhibited that it must be heard for sound to occur, what about sounds that are too high-pitched for us to hear, such as what comes from a dog whistle? Does no sound occur, even when you blow the whistle?

A shock wave will activate the tympanic membrane. What travels from the tympanic membrane via the tympanic nerve is an electrical impulse NOT sound. the pulse is manifested as sound in the brain.
 

rojse

RF Addict
A shock wave will activate the tympanic membrane. What travels from the tympanic membrane via the tympanic nerve is an electrical impulse NOT sound. the pulse is manifested as sound in the brain.

Sound is the phenomena that occurs in the air. Have you not heard of the decibel scale?
 
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