Iceland to ban porn on the web because of children

[Riverwolf]

I can show mountains of evidence that legality and regulation of prostitution increases child trafficking and sorely helps even of the other terrible statistics I've retrieved it. The stats stay consistent in many European countries where prostitution is legalized.

Could that be because the legalization is sloppy without enforced protections?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Aside from failing to find a coherent connection between my statement and your question here, I guess I should have qualified the kind of "porn" I was talking about: pornography involving sex.

Unfortunately, the complex net of ads, links, and redirects between the millions of porn sites make no such distinction.

 

[Riverwolf]

The majority of women (though the studies have difficultly getting the best data) work through a pimp.

Which should be illegal. I'm not arguing against that.

 

[dust1n]

Could that be because the legalization is sloppy without enforced protections?

If so, than virtually every country has failed at enforcing protections, which leaves legalization at a %0 success rate in that regards.

Which should be illegal. I'm not arguing against that.

How exactly do you provide enforced protections if all prostitutes are self-employed? Even some sort of prostitution license isn't going to provide prostitutes any real protections.



But like I said, we might need to move this topic to a new thread, for it is a bit different admittedly.

 

[Me Myself]

If so, than virtually every country has failed at enforcing protections, which leaves legalization at a %0 success rate in that regards.



How exactly do you provide enforced protections if all prostitutes are self-employed? Even some sort of prostitution license isn't going to provide prostitutes any real protections.



But like I said, we might need to move this topic to a new thread, for it is a bit different admittedly.

Yes please,as interesting as it is, it should be on another thread

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Made a new thread for you guys here.

 

[Brickjectivity]

But what it's the internet for, if not for porn?

In Finland the internet has been made a fundamental human right. Its not considered a right in most places. If it is a fundamental human right then all the principles work differently. Now free speech, the right, is being put up against the internet, the right. One could argue that children's rights to the internet are infringed by the presence of porn, since at a young age porn is potentially harmful. On the other side you could argue the adult right to the internet is infringed by banning porn.

Its not a right in Iceland. I was getting my 'Lands' names confused.

 

[Me Myself]

"Rights" are human inventions anyways

 

[methylatedghosts]

In Finland the internet has been made a fundamental human right. Its not considered a right in most places. If it is a fundamental human right then all the principles work differently. Now free speech, the right, is being put up against the internet, the right. One could argue that children's rights to the internet are infringed by the presence of porn, since at a young age porn is potentially harmful. On the other side you could argue the adult right to the internet is infringed by banning porn.

Its not a right in Iceland. I was getting my 'Lands' names confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg

 

[dawny0826]

My question: Just what women and children's rights are violated by porn? If women willingly pose for porn where's the harm? And if children happen upon porn what are these "damaging effects"?

The problem with porn is that the viewer is viewing on assumption that everyone involved are willing participants. You view on assumption that everyone is of legal age and that no one is being wrongfully exploited.

I'm not sure that pornography itself violates the rights of the viewer as the viewer has the opportunity to sustain from viewing. I somewhat agree with the decision made, as I feel that the internet makes it too easy to disseminate that which isn't legal and that which may violate the rights of innocent women, children and men for that matter. Again, there's an assumption that everyone involved in a pornographic piece are of legal age and have not been forced or pressured in any way.

The rest is up to individual interpretation, really. What's damaging to my eyeballs and psyche may not be damaging to yours.

When my sisters and I were very young, we snooped through a closet that we knew was off limits and we had no business snooping through, but we did it anyway and we found a VHS that was a treasure chest of pornographic crap that belonged to my father.

Naturally, being inquisitive, we watched it and we were so appalled, we took the video, ran down the street with it and put it down the storm drain. We then, confidently told our parents, that we found the VHS, watched it and destroyed it and we didn't want anything like it in the house.

My father was furious with us.

My sisters and I still remember what we saw. We hated it. We hated our father for it. We were young and all of a sudden we're seeing this display of nakedness and freakiness and we then had questions that we didn't have before about the human body, sex and our parent's relationship.

The latter was the hardest for us. Not understanding what we were seeing and misinterpreting its meaning. Surely, if Dad was watching other women, he and Mom weren't doing well. And then there was the content itself, which certainly didn't paint sex in a very positive light, not in our young eyes.

Please don't assume that pornography doesn't damage. It certainly can and it's all situational. I'm not implying that pornographic material damages every kid that comes in contact with it...but kids shouldn't be in contact with it in the first place. From this perspective, I agree with the decision made. It's not as if adults can't enjoy porn. This one avenue to access it is not longer available.

And if it helps the people who are exploited, mistreated and forced to participate in such material...then this is a great thing.

 

[ZooGirl02]

This is definitely a good thing. I wish that my nation, the United States, would do the same.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

This is definitely a good thing. I wish that my nation, the United States, would do the same.

What it definitely is is a big waste of everyone's time. Kids learn how to get around filtering systems in school, if their parents aren’t actively monitoring their internet usage there’s no way to stop them accessing anything they want. If they are, then such a filter is a waste of time anyway because there’s no problem.

 

[BSM1]

Then lets ban fairy tales too, it gives unrealistic expectations to women about what they should expect from a man? (sometimes actually way worst than what a good man is actualy like )

I wholeheartedly believe many fairy tale animations give increibly awful expectations to women, Men shouldnt wear pantyhose! :cover:

And soap operas and DIY home renovation programs, for that matter.

 

[crossfire]

I didn't read through the last few pages of this thread, so forgive me if someone else has brought it up:

Are you folks aware that Iceland is mostly run by women now? {Or so I've heard. (needs fact-checking) Many there seem to think they would do better managing the government money than the previous batch of politicians who totally messed up the economy there.}
Article from 2009:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...iceland-s-women-reach-for-power-a-620544.html

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I'd think kids shouldn't get on the internet until they're old enough to look at porn anyways.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is definitely a good thing. I wish that my nation, the United States, would do the same.

Well, theres one good and surefire solution in light that parents are statistically incapable of morally rearing their children, and that is to take them completely out of their hands once becoming school age and boarding up in government morality camps for the safety of the children.

Parents would have visitation rights and upon adulthood (determined through statistics) the children would be deemed moral healthy people and now ready for society.

A law should thenceforth be immediately drafted and enforced for the acquisitions of all children in the country, and transported to moral and upright institutions for their safety and well being.


Remember it's for the childern, and all adults need to do their part in giving them up for the betterment of their lives.

It's for the childern.

 

[ZooGirl02]

I've changed my views on this. We should not ban pornography. If people want to view it they should be allowed to. Parents need to be more responsible for their children rather than banning pornography entirely.

 

[Vinayaka]

I taught kids aged 13 or so who had obviously watched porn. When they had no idea what was acceptable in a school setting, there were some difficult and unexpected moments. In a public school, most parents expect a minimum decorum level. I agree with the ban, because there are certain parents who won't or can't enforce it.

 

[freethinker44]

This is definitely a good thing. I wish that my nation, the United States, would do the same.

I've changed my views on this. We should not ban pornography. If people want to view it they should be allowed to. Parents need to be more responsible for their children rather than banning pornography entirely.

I was going to reply to your first post there, but then I noticed you posted exactly what I was going to say.

I don't have a problem with my kids viewing inappropriate content on the internet. I parent them, I don't need anyone else to parent them for me.

 

[freethinker44]

I taught kids aged 13 or so who had obviously watched porn. When they had no idea what was acceptable in a school setting, there were some difficult and unexpected moments. In a public school, most parents expect a minimum decorum level. I agree with the ban, because there are certain parents who won't or can't enforce it.

There is no parent who can't enforce it, there are only parents who don't know how and parents who don't care. Those who don't know how can be taught, those who don't care shouldn't have children.