Iceland to ban porn on the web because of children

[Riverwolf]

assassins offer a service too... the fact that its being offered doesnt make the service morally right or beneficial to all involved.

And how are prostitutes and assassins even remotely comparable?

 

[Me Myself]

assassins offer a service too... the fact that its being offered doesnt make the service morally right or beneficial to all involved.

So, have you understood it is a service? Good, lets keep on with the progress then:

no, the fact that it is a service is not waht makes it morally acceptable. What makes it morally acceptable is that it is not harmful in itself. Assasins in the other side, provide a service that is harmful to others.

Now if you want to say prostitution or porn is harmfull you will need things way better than the 7 reasons from your blog, but you could if you wanted reply to my replies to such ""reasoning""

1-Are you embarrased of marital sex?

2-would you do it in front of your parents?

You really need to think your arguments at least a little bit before you send them, yes?




Point 1: Addiction to porn is bad

Reply: adiction to anythingis bad. That`s pretty much the consensus on addiction. Addiction to shopping, sports, TV, you name it.

I´d say addiction to this forum can be terrible!

Point 2: Viewing porn "rewires the brain"* into seeing women "in a way different than God intended"

reply:


* Every action andimage rewires the brain... I could say the bible rewires the brain to disregard blatant amounts of evidence on many subjects. Then again, you`d be too "rewired" to see that as a bad thing.

Point 3- Porn turns sex into masturbation

Reply: masturbatoin is good. It helps against stress, helps prevent prostate cancer, helps women knowthemselves better and thus teach their partners what they like and dont like when they are intimate. It also helps the man pleasure himself if the woman doesnt want to pleasure him, which is a form of independence that can do more good than bad to the couple.

4-Porn demands and objectifies women

Reply. Ban: priests, teachers, massagists, psychologists, and pretty much everyone who provides a service that somehow involves seeing another human behave somehow. People may expect everyone of their gender to do the same.


5- Porn squashes the beauty ofreal nakedwomen

Reply

6- Porn makes reality seem boring

Reply:Now lets alsoban all fiction, TV Soap operas and fairy tales books and animations.


7. PORN LIES ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE MALE AND FEMALE

Reply: :facepalm

anyways, again, lets ban fairy tales.



I can attest to the contrary. Oh yes, I can.

 

[dust1n]

And how are prostitutes and assassins even remotely comparable?

I think the comparison is made when she stated that just because a "service" can be done, doesn't mean that it is right, or should be the case etc.

I don't really think of them as comparable. The majority of assassins aren't raped, physically beaten, suffering trauma, etc.

 

[Me Myself]

And how are prostitutes and assassins even remotely comparable?

both provide a service. She seemed to believe that I thought pristitution being a service was what made it morally okay.

 

[Me Myself]

I think the comparison is made when she stated that just because a "service" can be done, doesn't mean that it is right, or should be the case etc.

I don't really think of them as comparable. The majority of assassins aren't raped, physically beaten, suffering trauma, etc.

Most assassins I would say suffer thrauma o.o

In any way, we are not arguing in favour of ill treatment of humans, we are arguing in favor of wo/men being able to provide a service with their bodies if they so choose.

 

[methylatedghosts]

But what it's the internet for, if not for porn?

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Regardless of its morality no such system will work because it's a piece of cake to bypass that kind of block using a proxy.

I learned how to do so in school from other students, about 10-15 years ago. Nobody used it to access porn at the time, because you couldn't realistically do that without getting caught. All the computer use took place where teachers could see it. Nobody was bothered about students accessing social networking sites and such, but porn would have raised a few eyebrows and likely got us expelled.

The concept is exactly the same though. The only way to safeguard your children online is for parents to take responsibility. Children these days would see any kind of nanny-state style censorship as a minor inconvenience.

All it would actually do it provide a false sense of security to parents, making the problem worse, not better.

 

[dust1n]

Most assassins I would say suffer thrauma o.o

In any way, we are not arguing in favour of ill treatment of humans, we are arguing in favor of wo/men being able to provide a service with their bodies if they so choose.

Ok, I'd argue no. I only argue for decriminalizing prostitution but continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts, or pimping in any form, much how it is in Sweden.

 

[Riverwolf]

I think the comparison is made when she stated that just because a "service" can be done, doesn't mean that it is right, or should be the case etc.

I don't really think of them as comparable. The majority of assassins aren't raped, physically beaten, suffering trauma, etc.

But what happens to the prostitutes also shouldn't be a determining factor of what's acceptable; it could be argued that those are because it's illegal and thus unregulated, and the prostitutes won't have effective legal protection.

 

[Riverwolf]

Ok, I'd argue no. I only argue for decriminalizing prostitution but continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts, or pimping in any form, much how it is in Sweden.

If I understand "pimping" correctly (the idea that the prostitute is essentially "owned" by someone who "sells" her to clients to have their way with), then yes that should be absolutely illegal as it's essentially slavery. But I'm not entirely sure how you can decriminalize prostitution while continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts. Aren't they the same?

 

[Me Myself]

Ok, I'd argue no. I only argue for decriminalizing prostitution but continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts, or pimping in any form, much how it is in Sweden.

There is no reason for which buying sexual favors would be bad.

There are reasons to regulate the good treatment of employees, like in any business of any kind. That there is. There is also a reason to stop buying in a place where you know the employees are being exploited and to report to the competent authorities.

 

[Me Myself]

If I understand "pimping" correctly (the idea that the prostitute is essentially "owned" by someone who "sells" her to clients to have their way with), then yes that should be absolutely illegal as it's essentially slavery. But I'm not entirely sure how you can decriminalize prostitution while continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts. Aren't they the same?

I got confused too at first. But now I get what he says. Prostitution would not be ilegal because he is concerned with the prostitute having to go to jail when she only did what she did because she was forced by pimps. But if you criminalize the buying, then you dont have that problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no reason for which buying sexual favors would be bad.

I have a reason......
Most prostitutes are women, & they shouldn't be prosecuted, because they aren't really responsible for their own behavior, since they're victims.
Most johns are men, & they should be prosecuted, because they are responsible for their brutish behavior of enjoying women for sex without love or marriage.
They're engaging in capitalism & the service industry too. The horror!

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Ok, I'd argue no. I only argue for decriminalizing prostitution but continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts, or pimping in any form, much how it is in Sweden.

Kind of hard to sell a service in any kind of safe way when purchasing said service is illegal...

 

[dust1n]

But what happens to the prostitutes also shouldn't be a determining factor of what's acceptable; it could be argued that those are because it's illegal and thus unregulated, and the prostitutes won't have effective legal protection.

I can show mountains of evidence that legality and regulation of prostitution increases child trafficking and sorely helps even of the other terrible statistics I've retrieved it. The stats stay consistent in many European countries where prostitution is legalized.

 

[dust1n]

Kind of hard to sell a service in any kind of safe way when purchasing said service is illegal...

Indeed, but it's function is to curb prostitution while providing better outlets for women in prostitution other than prison time/criminal charges.

 

[dust1n]

There is no reason for which buying sexual favors would be bad.

Unless the prostitute wants to get out of prostitution but can't, especially considering the chances of this happening are in the high eighties. I don't think that buying sexual favors necessarily entails bad. The large affects of prostitution are the incredible strains in puts on society, whether legal or not.

Just to give you an idea, Silbert & Pines did a study in '82 that suggests a conservative estimate of the average age of recruitment for a US prostitute is 13-15.

 

[dust1n]

If I understand "pimping" correctly (the idea that the prostitute is essentially "owned" by someone who "sells" her to clients to have their way with), then yes that should be absolutely illegal as it's essentially slavery. But I'm not entirely sure how you can decriminalize prostitution while continuing to criminalize the purchase of sexual acts. Aren't they the same?

The majority of women (though the studies have difficultly getting the best data) work through a pimp.

 

[Skwim]

So you have no problem with 7 year olds viewing scat and donkey porn? You find nothing at all objectionable about this?

Aside from failing to find a coherent connection between my statement and your question here, I guess I should have qualified the kind of "porn" I was talking about: pornography involving sex. Because I don't consider scat "porn" to be sex porn, but belonging to the same genera as violence porn, I wouldn't included it. As for donkey porn, bestiality, as gross as it is, I don't regard it as harmful. So I see no reason to prohibit it, although I am open to any argument against it.

 

[dust1n]

Perhaps if someone wishes to discuss prostitution further against my arguments, it might be best to move it to a new thread.