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I need some help overcoming my bad habit. I need to change who I am :(

I appreciate what you said. However remember masturbation in itself is also an addiction.I have urinary problems caused by masturbating too much and I will have to see a specialist soon. Many women have too many UTI infections also caused by it.It can also cause mental health issues and physical exhaustion, and sleeplessness.

There are Christian groups like Celebrate Recovery also if, he wants to use a church program.
I agree with what you shared. Although masturbation can be used as a natural way to relieve one's sexual tension, it can also be an addiction. Masturbation doesn't have to be an addiction, however. If one masturbates only when a genuine arousal comes up, then the need to do it won't come up again until the next arousal. Our body can only be aroused so many times.

It takes knowing our body to determine when we are genuinely arouse, or if we are chasing a feeling. Chasing a feel is what addictions thrive off of. Only masturbating at times of genuine need is what the goal should be. That is easier said than done, however.

In peace
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ooooo, grasp for that straw.

Look, if you really think that porn is a-okay don't be mad if you ever have a daughter who does it. Don't be mad if your significant other does it. *Shrugs* We're all just animals right? So what?
Oh my. You don't know what grasping after straws is either.

You have a lot to learn about debating. The first thing you need to work on is paying attention.
 

Apologes

Active Member
@rogerfan123

I find it cringe worthy how often religious people who claim to be devout believers resort to shallow compromises at the slightest temptation, especially when it comes to sexual matter. (I'm looking at you, fellow catholics!) I thus applaud you, OP, for admitting that what you've done is wrong and seeking a way to stop sinning instead of playing games with half-baked excuses like the ones found on the first page.

Even though your problem with masturbation seems hard to solve as you have considered various alternatives (even going out on a late night walk) to escape the feeling of temptation via distracting yourself, the solution is pretty simple, just don't do it.

There's really no other real solution, just build up the discipline (that you no doubt have since you claim to be a good student) and don't act on the temptation. Masturbation isn't a passive thing that you just can't help but experience. It requires a lot of effort on your part as you have to touch yourself in a very specific way, while focusing on visual (or any other) material that you had to look up or go through the hassle of getting in other ways.

There's a whole job to be done there so just don't commit to it. I always thought not doing something is the easiest thing but apparently people fail to do that easiest thing and end up doing a lot that makes them feel bad later on. If it's just the feeling of arousal that's leading you to sin, then just stop playing mindgames with yourself (how do I distract myself from this) and just don't do it.

Of course, you said yourself that it's not just a physical thing and that it feels like your whole thought process changes (assuming you mean you just can't think straight) which is all the more reason to listen to my previous advice and just don't try to think your way through it. You can't think straight after all so of course you won't be able to outsmart your body.

Still, noone resists sin on their own. It isn't our arguments or wit that ultimately help us from falling down (in fact more often than not we use these to rationalize sin as can be seen on this thread). What really helps us persist in purity is our faith, faith in God, trust in God. When temptations arrive, we ought to focus on God and not try to make compromises with him but simply remember His word.

You know that God doesn't want you to sin, you know his word demands purity so stand firmly on his word and don't do what you're tempted to. It'll be hard, but so long as you know that God doesn't want you to do it just do the 'easiest' thing and don't do anything.

This doesn't just go for masturbation but every emotionally fueled sin such as lashing out at someone in a fit of rage. Don't let these things control you (you believe you have free will after all) and when confronted with these heavy urges just remember that God doesn't want you to do this and simply don't act on it.

Hope you found this helpful, I'm willing to talk further if you wish.
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
I look at things in a more Buddhistic way. "Can you learn to not masturbate?" is the real question, as it's easier to masturbate than to not-masturbate (aka, have self-control) if you let it dictate to you what you want to do. There is nothing fundamentally evil about it though.

But there are far more important things to spend your time obsessing over than beating yourself off. There is no denial that it's a natural biological inclination to have sexual urges but it's far less of a useful pastime than many other things (like actual sex itself - or to entertaining your mind with more intellectual things......like the psychological effects of compulsive masturbation :D, or things like getting a job, friends, trying to do something positive for your community etc )
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@rogerfan123,

Maybe making and breaking the promise renders more guilt than you deserve?
Have you heard of "Nocturnal penile tumescence"? There are several good articles online about it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I look at things in a more Buddhistic way. "Can you learn to not masturbate?" is the real question, as it's easier to masturbate than to not-masturbate (aka, have self-control) if you let it dictate to you what you want to do. There is nothing fundamentally evil about it though.

But there are far more important things to spend your time obsessing over than beating yourself off. There is no denial that it's a natural biological inclination to have sexual urges but it's far less of a useful pastime than many other things (like actual sex itself - or to entertaining your mind with more intellectual things......like the psychological effects of compulsive masturbation :D, or things like getting a job, friends, trying to do something positive for your community etc )


One could always get a girlfriend.

What if she does it for you?
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
I agree with what you shared. Although masturbation can be used as a natural way to relieve one's sexual tension, it can also be an addiction. Masturbation doesn't have to be an addiction, however. If one masturbates only when a genuine arousal comes up, then the need to do it won't come up again until the next arousal. Our body can only be aroused so many times.

It takes knowing our body to determine when we are genuinely arouse, or if we are chasing a feeling. Chasing a feel is what addictions thrive off of. Only masturbating at times of genuine need is what the goal should be. That is easier said than done, however.

In peace

LOL. Masturbation is not an addiction, and anyone who calls it such does not even know what a real addiction is. No one gets delirium tremens from giving up masturbating.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Porn may have negative effects in some people, but it is not a "drug." No one gets life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms from quitting porn, and classifying porn as an "addiction" would be highly misleading.

Well r.e. the first point, neither does one generally get life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, but it's still called a drug. Not that I really have an issue with marijuana consumption.

re the second, porn addiction is totally a thing.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Well r.e. the first point, neither does one generally get life-threatening physical withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, but it's still called a drug. Not that I really have an issue with marijuana consumption.

re the second, porn addiction is totally a thing.

"Addiction" means a behavior that cannot be stopped due to withdrawal symptoms that would occur. No one gets delirium tremens from quitting porn. Some people use porn too much. Some may feel as though they can't stop, but they have a compulsion, not a physical addiction.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
"Addiction" means a behavior that cannot be stopped due to withdrawal symptoms that would occur. No one gets delirium tremens from quitting porn. Some people use porn too much. Some may feel as though they can't stop, but they have a compulsion, not a physical addiction.

If you're arguing a semantic point, then sure I'll concede. But people can have a compulsion to watch porn which has substantial negative impact on their own emotional well-being, as well as on those they are close to in life and cumulatively upon society at large. People also have substantial barriers to quitting watching porn, a behaviour pattern which gets settled in to behaviour patterns linked to the brain's pleasure centres, and this can itself cause significant stress to the individual and those around them. One can call that an addiction or not as one likes.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
If you're arguing a semantic point, then sure I'll concede. But people can have a compulsion to watch porn which has substantial negative impact on their own emotional well-being, as well as on those they are close to in life and cumulatively upon society at large. People also have substantial barriers to quitting watching porn, a behaviour pattern which gets settled in to behaviour patterns linked to the brain's pleasure centres, and this can itself cause significant stress to the individual and those around them. One can call that an addiction or not as one likes.

Watching porn is more like gambling in the sense you don't get DT's from quitting gambling. Although there is a difference between physical addiction and psychological addictions in the quitting part. While it's happening, the effects of either can be disastrous on the individual and anyone who is around them, especially loved ones.

Not much difference in all these statements by the spouse ...
"Me or the bottle?"
"Me or the shower?"
"Me or the casino?"
"Me or the computer?"

But other more 'healthy things like golf or work can have similar effects too.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
LOL. Masturbation is not an addiction, and anyone who calls it such does not even know what a real addiction is. No one gets delirium tremens from giving up masturbating.
Its not life threatening. If they feel out of control then it is a symptom of a life that needs changing. It can make men very irritable and less rational than they could be, lowering overall testosterone and affecting other mood related chemicals like serotonin. From what I understand for most men who never have sex the testicles should be given rest for about 4 days in between. That probably provides an optimum balance of health effects, but I am not a doctor and am just going by publicly available information from doctors. For someone worried about the issue, every 4 days is a pretty good guideline. A lot of people will say once per day, but that too frequent and makes most men irritable and less rational.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Its not life threatening. If they feel out of control then it is a symptom of a life that needs changing. It can make men very irritable and less rational than they could be, lowering overall testosterone and affecting other mood related chemicals like serotonin. From what I understand for most men who never have sex the testicles should be given rest for about 4 days in between. That probably provides an optimum balance of health effects, but I am not a doctor and am just going by publicly available information from doctors. For someone worried about the issue, every 4 days is a pretty good guideline. A lot of people will say once per day, but that too frequent and makes most men irritable and less rational.

Where is your evidence of this? I do not think this is true at all. In fact from my personal experience, more frequent ejaculation reduces irritability and irrational behavior. Also, sex and masturbation do not lower testosterone. In fact most men who are "sex addicts" are more masculine than other men.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Watching porn is more like gambling in the sense you don't get DT's from quitting gambling. Although there is a difference between physical addiction and psychological addictions in the quitting part. While it's happening, the effects of either can be disastrous on the individual and anyone who is around them, especially loved ones.

Not much difference in all these statements by the spouse ...
"Me or the bottle?"
"Me or the shower?"
"Me or the casino?"
"Me or the computer?"

But other more 'healthy things like golf or work can have similar effects too.

Fair point, although gambling is more destructive because of the amount of money one can lose. Also, I certainly would not classify the "bottle" with the "computer." If you've had any experience with people suffering from real alcoholism (not just overdoing it once in awhile), you know it's a much different and more destructive animal than non-physical addictions.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Fair point, although gambling is more destructive because of the amount of money one can lose. Also, I certainly would not classify the "bottle" with the "computer." If you've had any experience with people suffering from real alcoholism (not just overdoing it once in awhile), you know it's a much different and more destructive animal than non-physical addictions.

I agree. Booze, with an angry personality type is a very destructive mix. My main point in all of it is how it puts the person always 'not at home'. Kids and spouses never get to see the fellow/lady they once fell in love with.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
There's nothing wrong with watching porn and masturbating. It's normal and natural. There is something wrong with religions that induce guilt and shame over harmless human sexuality. Drop the latter and you'll feel better. That doesn't mean you can't be a Christian, but just accept that God made your body and your sexual urges.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
don't be mad if you ever have a daughter who does it. Don't be mad if your significant other does it
What's wrong with that? Also, why is a hypothetical daughter always used? Do you think there's some special shame if the person is female? Do you think parents should control the sex life of their daughters? What if I have a son who wants to do porn?
 
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