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I heard Jesus got kicked out of church.

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
You'll be lucky, surely if he had resurrected he would have stayed around on Earth instead of conveniently flying off up to heaven. The gospel writers certainly had a good imagination when creating his character. Anyone who claims the gospels are historical are up the creek without a paddle, imo.
My comment was in jest/facetious. More a way to point out that Jesus is nowhere to be found, and anyone who says otherwise has absolutely no way to prove it in the slightest.

It's like when someone foolishly says something like "Well, what if I say I don't believe you exist?", and then you easily inform them that you could actually produce yourself for them, which is a far cry from what anyone can do for Jesus or God. Just a bit of a slap in the face, trying to knock some sense into the person.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
My comment was in jest/facetious. More a way to point out that Jesus is nowhere to be found, and anyone who says otherwise has absolutely no way to prove it in the slightest.

It's like when someone foolishly says something like "Well, what if I say I don't believe you exist?", and then you easily inform them that you could actually produce yourself for them, which is a far cry from what anyone can do for Jesus or God. Just a bit of a slap in the face, trying to knock some sense into the person.

I realise it was said in jest.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This list is pretty feeble. Nobody would get chucked out of a church for befriending sinners or prostitutes or corrupt officials, or for having a drink problem (there is zero evidence of this in the bible, so I've no idea where he gets that from). We actually had a dreadful drunk at last Christmas Midnight Mass and everyone was very tolerant and kind to him. The Catholic church and many others make a point of being expressly for sinners and of recognising moral weakness is part of the human condition we all have to cope with.

The one issue in this list that has some traction is his lack of respect for Jewish religious elders. One could easily imagine that being replicated today towards some church leaders. That's probably why Pope Francis has decided to live in a guest house and drive a 10yr old Renault. One can't say the same for a lot of other church officials - human weakness, again.
What if it was one of your own clergymen was mingling with drunks and prostitutes and with horrible alcoholics?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
What if it was one of your own clergymen was mingling with drunks and prostitutes and with horrible alcoholics?
What do you think Catholic priests do in the community?

I remember talking to one, outside church, and an alcoholic tramp came up and handed him a wedge of banknotes. When he had gone, I asked him what it was about and he explained: "Oh, you see, he gets his social security payment today and he gives it to me to look after for him, so that he doesn't go and blow it all on a one-night drunken binge. I give him a daily allowance each day, to make sure he buys food and not just booze. I do that with quite a few of them round here." That sort of thing is all in day's work, for the average Catholic priest in a big city.

It can get them down, too, seeing as they are celibate and don't have a partner to share it with, just other priests. They see a lot of the grubby side of humanity - and hear a lot more in confessions. And then they spend a lot of time with people who have just been bereaved and those who have just had bad news - terminal cancer diagnoses etc. The parish priests I have known, almost without exception, take Christ's example of taking care of the poor, the unhappy and morally weak fairly seriously. It's a tough job and I wouldn't like to do it.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
What a load of horse manure. When Jesus shows up again at the Second Coming he's the one who will be straightening people out and casting the heathen Christ mockers into the Pit.

It's adorable how conservative christians outwardly admire Christ yet inwardly despise everything that he stood for. Today, they would call people like him "socialist hippies."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What do you think Catholic priests do in the community?

I remember talking to one, outside church, and an alcoholic tramp came up and handed him a wedge of banknotes. When he had gone, I asked him what it was about and he explained: "Oh, you see, he gets his social security payment today and he gives it to me to look after for him, so that he doesn't go and blow it all on a one-night drunken binge. I give him a daily allowance each day, to make sure he buys food and not just booze. I do that with quite a few of them round here." That sort of thing is all in day's work, for the average Catholic priest in a big city.

It can get them down, too, seeing as they are celibate and don't have a partner to share it with, just other priests. They see a lot of the grubby side of humanity - and hear a lot more in confessions. And then they spend a lot of time with people who have just been bereaved and those who have just had bad news - terminal cancer diagnoses etc. The parish priests I have known, almost without exception, take Christ's example of taking care of the poor, the unhappy and morally weak fairly seriously. It's a tough job and I wouldn't like to do it.
That takes care of the ground troops .

How about the bishop?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
This list is pretty feeble. Nobody would get chucked out of a church for befriending sinners or prostitutes or corrupt officials, or for having a drink problem (there is zero evidence of this in the bible, so I've no idea where he gets that from). We actually had a dreadful drunk at last Christmas Midnight Mass and everyone was very tolerant and kind to him. The Catholic church and many others make a point of being expressly for sinners and of recognising moral weakness is part of the human condition we all have to cope with.

The one issue in this list that has some traction is his lack of respect for Jewish religious elders. One could easily imagine that being replicated today towards some church leaders. That's probably why Pope Francis has decided to live in a guest house and drive a 10yr old Renault. One can't say the same for a lot of other church officials - human weakness, again.
I have heard from some that catholics arent christian.. I think it was from a drunk baptists....and former drug addict non denominationalist bible believers. Personally i am looking for a bible non believing church thar gets up reads the bible and then preaches why not to believe. Never seen one.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
That takes care of the ground troops .

How about the bishop?
I don't know any bishops personally, though those I have spoken seem pleasant enough. But I've no doubt that the further up the hierarchy ones goes, the more remote the officeholders tend to become from ordinary people, as happens in the management structure of almost any organisation.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Splendid splendid, very Christ-like sentiments, I'm sure.

Perhaps you would prefer what Jesus told the stiff-necked crowd in John chapter 8:

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me."
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Perhaps you would prefer what Jesus told the stiff-necked crowd in John chapter 8:

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me."
Not really. The Jesus I find inspirational is the one in John 8: 3-11, and the one in Matthew 9:10-13 or Matthew 11: 28-30.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
I mean seriously now - how did they KNOW that he wasn't the second coming?
Because at the second coming, comes the final judgment. Everyone who has died will be physically resurrected and summoned before the throne of God for the final judgment. When that happens, we're all going to notice.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Perhaps you would prefer what Jesus told the stiff-necked crowd in John chapter 8:

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me."
Because at the second coming, comes the final judgment. Everyone who has died will be physically resurrected and summoned before the throne of God for the final judgment. When that happens, we're all going to notice.

That is only a belief, a crazy one too, with no evidence to support it.
 
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