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Featured I don't think we should hide the woman.

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Seeker of White Light, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. Seeker of White Light

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    Honestly if men tries to hide a woman in a burka or in some other ways, then it is not the woman that is the problem. It is the men. If a man can not control his lust without hiding away the females. The veil isn't in the clothes it is in the mind.

    Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this :)
     
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    The problem is always in corrupt nature but even so that is not the cause of such things as far as I know.
     
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    What do you see as the problem:)
     
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    I agree, it's mens lust that is the problem. And yes you will get some stick for saying it, i know i seem to have half of Islam giving me pain if i mention it
     
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    I fully agree.

    However, I believe that if a woman chooses to wear something, like a burka or hijab, we should also respect that. That is her business, and no one elses.
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    And a whole bunch of Christians and some Jews.
     
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    People choosing to express modesty in their culture concerning clothing (for the virtue of modesty in my opinion is far more than just clothing) is not dependent on what the desires of others may or may not be wholly in my opinion.
     
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    Yes modesty is not just about clothing, it is about how we speak act and think in a modest way.
     
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    By men who don't understand responsibility. "I have a problem and you have to solve it" was always the reasoning behind hiding women.
    And even more broader modesty laws are usually outdated. You are modestly clothed if you are less outstanding than the next person.
     
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    I dress modestly so as to not inflame the passions of others.
     
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    Thanks, we all appreciate it. :rolleyes:
     
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    There are things men can hide too, but sometimes its better than they don't :)
     
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    About a decade ago, I was walking with a Muslim male friend outside a masjid, and there were two Muslim young women walking in the same direction in front of us. Although they were not wearing head coverings or long sleeves, they were not dressed in a provocative way by Western standards, at least. A couple of minutes later, my friend said, 'Man, those women need to do better and wear hijab. I came out of the masjid and I am already sinning because of them!' As for me, no lustful thoughts, and I am a heterosexual. :shrug:

    I think the problem is that people who are raised in Islamic societies are not desensitized to the opposite sex. This is due to gender segregation, I presume.

    By the way, I've heard that the early Muslim community used to have mixed gender congregational prayers, or that there is at least some evidence that they did.
     
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    I kinda think the same.

    Also, the piece of clothing itself symbolizes something forbidden. You see the concealing piece of clothing, and then your mind goes to "I'm not supposed to think about what its hiding" and then it goes even farther elsewhere...

    Kind of like when a person tells you not to think of an elephant...
     
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    In my experience, yes! It actually does defeat the purpose...

    I just pictured a gloriously decorated elephant thanks to you. :elephant:
     
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    Here ya go!
     
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    I am fortunate not to have to worry about the effect of how I dress enflaming passion. In fact, for me, less modesty could have just the opposite effect.
     
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    The last thought through my mind will be how outrageously and immodestly dressed that charging elephant is.
     
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    That is how I have always interpreted the practice. An attempt to place responsibility on the beheld for the feelings of the beholder. I have noticed that covering something up makes me wonder more about what I am not supposed to be seeing. The opposite effect I would imagine from that which is intended.
     
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    Yes, it's the men. Keeping that in mind, lets asked married men to let their wives run about naked on the street. "Hey, honey, go pick me up a six pack of beer and don't bother putting any clothes on". I can certainly see how that would become popular.

    You going to trust all of them guys out there? o_O

    I wouldn't argue this is the woman's fault but that doesn't really solve the issue. It's them darn guys out their unable/unwilling to control their urges. It takes only one.
     
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