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"Jesus died for our Sins"...
Really? What kind of moral teaching is that? Sounds like a cult of human sacrifice and scapegoating!
"Jesus died for our Sins"...
Really? What kind of moral teaching is that? Sounds like a cult of human sacrifice and scapegoating!
It depends on what that means. According to the Bible, Jesus had right to forgive sins before his death and that he did so, became one reason why people wanted to kill him.
The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25
But still, Jesus used his life for our benefit, so that we could hear the message God had commanded Jesus to teach. That is the reason why it can be said Jesus sacrificed his life for us. He used his life to help people. It can be compared to a soldier who sacrifices his life for his country while defending the country.
I've known soldiers with a Jesus complex. Literally did it for the glory and lord it over people in a 'you didn't ask me to do this but now you owe me' sort of way. Thankfully that's not typical. But oh man, if you don't think the past 30 years of us military involvement had anything to do with 'fighting for your freedom,' it's like denying the necessity of Jesus' death.I was NOT consulted on Jesus' decision and I want nothing to do with it. I find many of the premises insulting and unhealthy. And it's nothing like the sacrifice a soldier makes.
"Jesus died for our Sins"...
Really? What kind of moral teaching is that? Sounds like a cult of human sacrifice and scapegoating!
Where it is a teaching of morality, it is used to promote self-sacrifice for the sake of others.What kind of moral teaching is that?
The history of Christianity is a well documented affair; the meaning of the death of Jesus is one of the earliest and most fundamental tenets of Christianity.From readings and documentaries I’ve picked up, much of Christianity now was added about 400 years after Jesus
No, it isn’t. Otherwise there would he absolutely no controversy.Where it is a teaching of morality, it is used to promote self-sacrifice for the sake of others.
The history of Christianity is a well documented affair; the meaning of the death of Jesus is one of the earliest and most fundamental tenets of Christianity.
"Jesus died for our Sins"...
Really? What kind of moral teaching is that? Sounds like a cult of human sacrifice and scapegoating!
There is "controversy" over whether or not alien lizardmen rule the governments of the world. There is no informed controversy about whether the idea that Jesus died for our sins is fundamental to Christianity, and almost unfathomable to think that the idea was added in the 400s. It is in the Gospels, it is in the writings of Paul, it is everywhere in Christianity from the earliest days.No, it isn’t. Otherwise there would he absolutely no controversy.
It would probably serve you better to avoid making arguments in subjects you don't care for and are ill-informed about.Personally I don’t really care much about his-story anyway.
I hope you grow in enlightment and closeness to God in this way.I care more about spiritual truths that may be edplained in biblical parables and how to apply them well in my life.
There is no informed controversy about whether the idea that Jesus died for our sins is fundamental to Christianity
How do we know what was in the earliest days if the scriptures came well after Jesus was dead?It is in the Gospels, it is in the writings of Paul, it is everywhere in Christianity from the earliest days.
For Christians, sin is not a mere abstraction but an objective reality. Human nature has been irrevocably tainted by sin and the ultimate consequence of sin is spiritual death. (Because God is holy). Since sin (by human power alone) is insurmountable, it leaves us humans in a hopeless bind. The direct vision of God (which is our ultimate end) was utterly closed to us. It was closed to us by an impassable, infinite chasm which only an infinite god could cross. The Christian claim, fundamentally, is that God made that crossing, two-thousand years ago by becoming human himself.Back to the OP, I'm not doubting your claim above, I'm questioning whether "dying for our sins" is a good moral message. I'd say that it's not.
The moral lesson should be obvious. That lesson is that the ultimate act of love is to lay down one's own life for another. For Jesus, those others were the entire human race which he as God had created
Except that you were created in no such say. Human nature has been tainted by sin (read Genesis) but it's not broken. You still retain that goodness inherent to you as a creature in the image of God. You still retain your freedom to choose good over evil. (Albeit now with difficulty). In other words, the mirror is dirty but it's not broken.In order for me to accept this I must (at the very least), accept the idea that a loving god created me broken in the first place - I'm not buying that.
Except that you were created in no such say. Human nature has been tainted by sin (read Genesis) but it's not broken.