How To Handle A Traffic Stop

[Shadow11]

And again.......
Where our police find large amounts of cash in a vehicle and the owner cannot explain it, then it will be seized and held unless the owner can explain it.

Canadians were warned not to bring large amounts of cash into the USA if pulled over the cops will take the money as possible proceeds of crime even knowing you are a tourist visiting the country its an anally applied law which basically means enforced with no common sense and they get to keep the money.

 

[oldbadger]

Canadians were warned not to bring large amounts of cash into the USA if pulled over the cops will take the money as possible proceeds of crime even knowing you are a tourist visiting the country its an anally applied law which basically means enforced with no common sense and they get to keep the money.

Unfortunately money launderers travel with big cash. It's best to use small cash and cards, I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

You sound like a text-book expert.

You sound like a fascist, ready to justify cops'
misdeeds in the name of law & order.
(See....2 can play that game.)

 

[oldbadger]

Over here, the owner's explanation can be taken into
account, but is very often ignored. After all, when cops
get to keep the cash they take, there's strong incentive
to pretend that all cash as ill gotten.

Cases!
Cases please.

 

[Revoltingest]

Canadians were warned not to bring large amounts of cash into the USA if pulled over the cops will take the money as possible proceeds of crime even knowing you are a tourist visiting the country its an anally applied law which basically means enforced with no common sense and they get to keep the money.

Can't be.
The badger doesn't believe it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Cases!
Cases please.

Did you read the links I gave you?
Many cases listed.

 

[oldbadger]

You sound like a fascist, ready to justify cops'
misdeeds in the name of law & order.
(See....2 can play that game.)

Do you realise that your point of view could be quite common in the criminal world?
Do you want a police force or not?

 

[oldbadger]

Can't be.
The badger doesn't believe it.

As soon as you start talking about others in the third person we all know you're looking busted. It's a 'tell' with you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unfortunately money launderers travel with big cash. It's best to use small cash and cards, I think.

That is so, but it doesn't give cops license to
just confiscate & keep cash without due process.
It's a 4th & 14th Amendment violation.
Alas, government makes billions of dollars
from this, so there's little incentive to change.
Ref...
Civil forfeiture in the United States - Wikipedia

Report: Drug-Sniffing Dogs Are Wrong More Often Than Right
Excerpted....
The Chicago Tribune sifted through three years worth of cases in which law enforcement used dogs to sniff out drugs in cars in suburban Chicago. According to the analysis, officers found drugs or paraphernalia in only 44 percent of cases in which the dogs had alerted them.
When the driver was Latino, the dogs were right just just 27 percent of the time.

 

[oldbadger]

Did you read the links I gave you?
Many cases listed.

Rubbish.
I want to see cases of cops getting convicted of theft of seized funds.

You've got millions of cops so let's have a few cases please.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you realise that your point of view could be quite common in the criminal world?

That's a typical accusation from bad cops, ie,
that if one wants one's civil right observed,
that it's suspicious.

Do you want a police force or not?

Yes.
But it should conduct itself within the law
& with respect for constitutional civil liberties.
Do you oppose such limits on cops?

 

[oldbadger]

That is so, but it doesn't give cops license to
just confiscate & keep cash without due process.
It's a 4th & 14th Amendment violation.
Alas, government makes a great deal of money
from this, so there's little incentive to change.

Report: Drug-Sniffing Dogs Are Wrong More Often Than Right
Excerpted....
The Chicago Tribune sifted through three years worth of cases in which law enforcement used dogs to sniff out drugs in cars in suburban Chicago. According to the analysis, officers found drugs or paraphernalia in only 44 percent of cases in which the dogs had alerted them.
When the driver was Latino, the dogs were right just just 27 percent of the time.

Ha ha.
So you believe in the accuracy of journalists research?

I'll call my mate for his comments, I think. But I'll have to tell him that a textbook expert thinks he knows better than an experienced dog trainer. !!

 

[Revoltingest]

As soon as you start talking about others in the third person we all know you're looking busted. It's a 'tell' with you.

Just having fun with you....after all, I know that
your over-the-top slights are in jest....or I hope so.
I don't want to believe that you really are a fascist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rubbish.
I want to see cases of cops getting convicted of theft of seized funds.

Ahah.....you're playing a game here.
With "qualified immunity" cops won't ever be prosecuted
for civil forfeiture abuse. And this is especially so with
federal cops, whose immunity is unqualified, ie, total.

All I've offered is cases where the seizing was deemed
wrongful. Individual cops are never prosecuted...unless
they take the money personally. While that happens,
it's not relevant to the general civil forfeiture issue.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ha ha.
So you believe in the accuracy of journalists research?

I believe it over your unsupported claims.

I'll call my mate for his comments, I think. But I'll have to tell him that a textbook expert thinks he knows better than an experienced dog trainer. !!

You'll call your buddy, who might very well be part of
the problem to verify that he & his cop buddies are
all saints & experts at their job.

You remind me of the old saw about police investigations....
"We've investigated ourselves, & we found no problem."

Independent observers would disagree with you & cops,
who have a vested interest in finding crimes (as opposed
to finding innocence). One of many sources....
Efficacy of drug detection by fully-trained police dogs varies by breed, training level, type of drug and search environment - ScienceDirect
Excerpted....
Dogs were equally efficient at searching in well-known vs. unknown rooms with strange (i.e., non-target novelty) odors (83.2% correct indications), but they were less accurate when searching outside or inside cars (63.5% and 57.9% correct indications respectively).

For roadside searches, this is approximately coin-flip accuracy.
But in real world conditions, handlers will consciously or unconsciously
cue the dog (Clever Hans Effect). Cops can also purposely or
accidentally mis-read cues, eg, take partial alerts as full alerts.

 

[ChristineM]

I've posted this before, it deserves a second airing here.


A friend lent me his car because mine was in dock. The car, a rotary engine Mazda RX3 (very agile and extremely fast). Only 2 rotors but with the equivalent power of a 6 cylinder reciprocating engine.

Driving along the m62 motorway there was no traffic ahead, i looked in the mirror, no traffic. So unlike me to put my foot down. At 125(ish) mph i heard the siren behind and sure enough, a flashing blue light.

First time ever, i was scared, put my food down and pulled away from the police car.

On a bend he disappeared from sight, i took the slip road hoping that he'd carry straight on.

No such luck, i stopped at the traffic lights at the junction of the slip road, the cop pulled up next to me, shouted to me to pull over when the lights changed.

Cop "How fast do you think you were going?"

Me (humbly) "Oh about 70 officer" (the legal limit)

He chuckled and said "i love a good chase, go on, get off for your cheek and don't do it again"

Was it politeness, cheek or a blonde with a low cut top and a short skirt?

We will never know

 

[Revoltingest]

I've posted this before, it deserves a second airing here.


A friend lent me his car because mine was in dock. The car, a rotary engine Mazda RX3 (very agile and extremely fast). Only 2 rotors but with the equivalent power of a 6 cylinder reciprocating engine.

Driving along the m62 motorway there was no traffic ahead, i looked in the mirror, no traffic. So unlike me to put my foot down. At 125(ish) mph i heard the siren behind and sure enough, a flashing blue light.

First time ever, i was scared, put my food down and pulled away from the police car.

On a bend he disappeared from sight, i took the slip road hoping that he'd carry straight on.

No such luck, i stopped at the traffic lights at the junction of the slip road, the cop pulled up next to me, shouted to me to pull over when the lights changed.

Cop "How fast do you think you were going?"

Me (humbly) "Oh about 70 officer" (the legal limit)

He chuckled and said "i love a good chase, go on, get off for your cheek and don't do it again"

Was it politeness, cheek or a blonde with a low cut top and a short skirt?

We will never know

The Decolletage Defense, eh.
Not a method I'd try.
Inoffensive feckless honest sober old white guy is my game.
It's kept me from being arrested.

125 mph, & then you accelerate.
BTW, thanks for getting the thread back on track.

 

[oldbadger]

That's a typical accusation from bad cops, ie,
that if one wants one's civil right observed,
that it's suspicious.

Yes.
But it should conduct itself within the law
& with respect for constitutional civil liberties.
Do you oppose such limits on cops?

Oh dear.
Anybody who supports policing is bad?
Paranoid or what?

 

[ChristineM]

The Decolletage Defense, eh.
Not a method I'd try.
Inoffensive feckless honest sober old white guy is my game.
It's kept me from being arrested.

125 mph, & then you accelerate.
BTW, thanks for getting the thread back on track.

Could be, who am i to say?. I personally think it was my humbleness and cheek

 

[oldbadger]

Was it politeness, cheek or a blonde with a low cut top and a short skirt?

We will never know

I can't quite visualise all that.
Any chance of a pic?


They are suggesting that in America you'd have been horse whipped and had all your money nicked.