namaskaram tatvamasi :namaste
*I haven't logged on to this forum in years. I read some thread sporadically and this one hits close to home and is very pertinent to my recent research and study.
please elaborate a little further as to the nature of your work or study
I have seen too many people, of all walks of life, peddle this 'all is same' nonsense that it literally gives me a migraine each time I hear that (especially so by daft Indian Hindus).
people will say and belive all manner of things , but if in an in attempts to promote peace amongst men they practice religious tollerance by beliving that all paths are equaly valid , this is hardly ''noncence'' , it is a persons veiw , or even dare I say it their realisation ,
please prabhu do not give your self a migraine , please stay calm and concidder that if you want people to listen to your point of veiw you would be best to refrain from calling them ''daft''.
This conversion business, both Christian and Muslim, is a mega problem around the world and especially so in India where the people are utterly disunited, apathetic, and quite frankly, afraid of their past (history).
yes for those of us who love our traditions it is very sad to see so many converting to christianity or islam , if this is the case then we as hindus must take an equal share of the blame , what are we not doing for our own people that is causing them to desert their own indiginous faith ?
I have one suggestion for those that claim to care so much for the continuation of their traditions , become a learned and gentle kind hearted person and go out and teach it your self .
The Abrahamic ideologies are akin to cancer. There is no "negotiation" with them. Either the cancer destroys the host, or the cancer cells are removed once and for all. History is a great example; wherever Christianity and Islam have set foot, they have destroyed, looted, and converted the people from their native ways of life.
this kind of bitterness is hardly becoming of anyone who professes to have any spiritual understanding , if you wish to criticise christians for their insencitivity and pig headedness then please look carefully at your own attitude .
it is in truth such bitterness that destroys cultures like a cancer .
Imagine, at one time, present-day Pakistan is where the Sindhu Saraswathi river flowed in all its glory. On the banks of that river were the greatest sages this planet has seen who have been able to tap into the nature of reality and pass down their experiences from one generation to the next. Look at that location today! We Hindus cannot even go to the banks of that river to pay homage!
These two Abrahamic ideologies have destroyed the local culture, religions, and peoples and stripped them of their identities. It is happening in front of our own eyes in India.
yes we are weak , but we do not grow strong through anger , if we do so we become as ignorant as those we criticise .
There are two important things to consider here.
1.) India and Hinduism are inseparable.
To have Hinduism thrive, India needs to thrive. Its ashrams, temples, sthalams, kshetras, etc. are fundamental to the Hindu ethos. Therefore, it is imperative that India has a pro-Hindu government. I personally feel India should be declared a Hindu nation. Hinduism is truly secular (accommodating people of all stripes and predispositions as "Hindu" is ample proof that it's indeed secular). India should be a place where Hindus around the world can call "home", much like Israel is the "home" of the Jews.
and for india to thrive it needs to practice sanatana dharma , that is every politician and every man woman and child on the street .
2.) Non-native Hindus must support Hindu causes that are not necessarily religious. This may include politics. It may include civil discourse, etc. Indian/Hindu society is not compartmentalized. Hinduism is the essence of existence for Hindus; it pervades every aspect of life from childhood to death.
not just in india , we need to support human causes world wide and ensure that any elected politician or representative does his duty and governs justly .
India is at the tipping point now.
agreed it is in a mess not just politicaly but moraly also
I will give this and your other recomendations a read later as I agree with many things you are saying but not how you are saying them .
Anyway, my opinion on this is that there will be a time, not too distant in the future, that Hindus in India will have to physically FIGHT the Muslims/Christians and other anti-Hindus (commies etc.). We don't want to think about that, but it seems inevitable. You have two aggressive (three if you include the commies) ideologies subverting a docile, apathetic, and ignorant group of people. If the latter doesn't get their act together, the cancer will indeed finish the host off.
however , there are ways and ways of fighting .
Please read Breaking India and buy copies for your friends. Get talking about this conversion issue. Vinayaka has done a superb thing by starting this thread. This is vital to Hinduism's survival in Kali Yuga. It will always be there - but for it to be expressed so beautifully as it has been in India, it needs to be protected.
I agree totaly that it must be protected , but the question is how ?
if you want to envoke support for a cuase you will not do so by bitter criticism ,
that is simply my opinion :namaste
Because of his behavior, which is already becoming evident, I WILL warn the mods about him, to keep a very close eye. I believe he will not be here long. You can change a leopard's ways, but not its spots. Were I gambling man, I would lay odds that this post will elicit a vicious response from him with the added bonus of making reference to my "dangerous touchy-feely salad bar" beliefs, or some facsimile thereof.