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How should white people atone for their racism?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Okay,
It's just where I live it can be a survival instinct to notice certain things mentioned in the OP.

Granted, the people I live with are homeless and unemployed usually. When I meet the educated people with jobs and a degree, that behavior is usually not as prevalent.

So, as I said, it has more to do with poverty than ethnicity.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Yes.

I do not disagree with you, but am frustrated with certain behaviors. As I said, I have also met so many black people who I consider better people than myself.

Because of the environments I live in, I do indeed get discriminated against, threatened, and hit.

For the sake of being fair, I've lived in slums. I'm sure poverty has a lot to do with those behaviors, not ethnicity.

Sure, being wealthy has a way of getting folks to be nice to you.

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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Also,
There are obviously good responsible Noble minded people of every ethnicity and there are evil , hateful greedy people of every ethnicity.

I pray that I'll have no resentment towards anyone. So, some of what I said comes from bad experiences and not necessarily the norm.

So, It would be better for me and everyone not to focus on such things.

I just need to vent a bit about some of the difficulties and double standards I'm seeing chronically.

Pardon me if that seems ugly. I pray and shall work hard to not notice or think about it.

the last thing I want to be is a bigot. If I came across that way, then I repent.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I have no biological family in Minnesota. The people I consider my brothers, homies, and sisters, are usually people who are minorities.

We are family. Sometimes family members fight and get angry at each other. I love and care about them and have been busy making amends.

Thanks for the input and criticism. Thanks for putting some of my views in check! :)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Actually, as far back as I can trace my heritage we didn't. Time to put this farce to rest and move forward.
Color is what matters....not whether any of your ancestors actually did
anything to anyone brown/black. Mine didn't arrive here until well after
the Civil War, but I'm guilty because of skin color.
I atone by publicly stating my opposition to slavery.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
It's something like only 5% of the U.S's white population today had ancestors that owned slaves before the civil war. So why should 95% of a people be punished for crimes that 5%'s ancestors committed?

Let's see, ok I'll use this politifact article as citation.

Viral post gets it wrong about extent of slavery in 1860

An excerpt: Using Census data to research his book, Glatthaar calculated that 4.9 percent of people in the slaveholding states owned slaves.

This is ignoring the fact that the native African population was capturing and selling their own people as slaves. So why are they not held accountable?
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Color is what matters....not whether any of your ancestors actually did
anything to anyone brown/black. Mine didn't arrive here until well after
the Civil War, but I'm guilty because of skin color.
I atone by publicly stating my opposition to slavery.

I refuse to even pretend to atone for something I had nothing to do with personally. I mean, think about it, I would have to be over two hundred years old to be guilty of such.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I refuse to even pretend to atone for something I had nothing to do with personally. I mean, think about it, I would have to be over two hundred years old to be guilty of such.
But of course you apologize for your white male privilege, eh.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Guilt by association somehow?o_O

I don't know. I've never associated with anyone that's owned slaves. My skin color is the same though. Perhaps that's why I should be punished, for my skin color. But that would mean the people who want to punish me are racist....../gasp!
 

Sky Rivers

Active Member
Recently I heard a black lady argue with a white lady and she said she takes no disrespect from any white person, because white people must atone for slavery.

I try to atone because that was what my Father used to do. He took us into slums of Chicago to work with Mother Teresa's Nuns feeding and caring for black people. I've lived at Saint Lukes mission of mercy in the ghetto of buffalo New York where white people give black folks free houses, free clothing, free money, free hygiene products, hundreds of meals every day, free dentists and healthcare clinics, and yet I heard so many hateful comments towards white people and was harassed for my ethnicity.

Repeatedly I go to the soup kitchen here and the majority of volunteers behind the counter are white, and the other line benefiting from their charity is primarily black. I have seen far more works of charity coming from white people and they don't make racial slurs. At least, almost never. I hear racial slurs from blacks regularly.

As a Franciscan I did similar works of charity. Also, where I am now, I give more money to African Americans than other ethnicities. Then I get treated like a sucker and a chump to be manipulated and I simply had to cease doing that because people I didn't even know were knocking on my door asking for sometimes even 10 to 40 dollars. I had a reputation of giving out money, and it came to haunt me, and honestly, I don't make hardly anything. I get general assistance and pan handle (but am looking for a job.)

Almost all the people that beg me for change wear nicer shoes and clothes than I do. One of them who got some money from me, and asked me for money repeatedly, so I said "This is the last time. I make just as much as you". He said, "no, I don't make just as much as you. I make more." He smiled and walked away, leaving me thinking WTF!

So, now, I just say, "I don't have money for you, but even if I did, I would not give it to you." It offends them, but I simply don't care anymore. Not to mention, I've heard far more racial slurs from black people than from white people. Extremely more! I've lived in ghettos, jails, and homeless shelters throughout life.

I'd bet I've interacted and lived with more African Americans than anyone on this forum, and many of them are great people, and some of them helped me out with money as well. It means a lot to me when that happens, and I never forget it, and always give them a blessing and gratitude for their kindness. I kid you not. I lost my virginity to a black girl, I've had a black judge, an awesome black public defender, I've got a black probation officer, and a black AA sponsor, and black peer specialist. They are friggin awesome and better people than myself.

I have no problem whatsoever with skin color. I wish I was darker lol. I just have a problem with certain behaviors and selective outrage that I see coming from black people that I don't see coming from every other race combined. I'm just wondering why there is such a huge double standard and hypocrisy that I find far more prevalent amongst one ethnicity.

So, if white people must atone for their harsh treatment of other races, how should we go about it? Let's not forget hundreds of thousands of white people that labored, suffered, and shed their blood to end slavery, and eventually end white privilege.
I refuse to accept “white guilt” and leave my atonement to that of my own past, not those I’ve never met.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Ever wonder why we don't hear much about reparations for slavery except for every four years or so....around election time?
I don't, I know why
And what would "reparations" accomplish? To take from those who are guiltless except for being the descendants of those who benefited from slavery, and give to those who weren't slaves, but are the descendants of them?

The past cannot be rewritten...well, not with honesty, anyway, though many try to do it all the time. But we live in the present, and the best we can do is try to write our own future history, right now, the way we would like it to be remembered.

And that is not as hard as you might think...just be a good person.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Being a racist is not against the law. Benefiting from White privilege (whatever that is) is not against the law. So nothing to atone for.

However the Black lady is right, she should be accepting disrespect from anyone, Black, White, whatever color. Does this mean that if she were being disrespected by a Black lady she'd be ok with that? :eek:

So she shouldn't be being disrespected but her reasoning is lame.
... is it your contention that we only need to atone for illegal acts?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
... is it your contention that we only need to atone for illegal acts?

A person can atone for whatever they wish. Whatever to make themselves feel better. There's just no public/civil requirement for such.

IOW, do so if you want. Don't if you don't. I don't think it's anyone else's place to judge a person either way.
 
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