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How many souls a person has in the Multiverse?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by questfortruth, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:41 AM.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    ABSTRACT:

    There is a problem in quantum physics: a particle can be in two places at the same time. Why is not that particle an Omnipresent Spirit? How to restore the naturalism of nature? Because of this nonlocal omnipresence, Quantum Science fails to align with Einstein's purely materialistic Theories.
    There are two known solutions to the divinity of nature:

    1. a quantum particle has a certain trajectory, but it runs through many universes: the theory of Dr. Hugh Everett. [NOTE: However, his solution to the problem of the divinity of nature is not at all a solution if we consider the definite universe (it means "our universe", which is supposedly only one from many universes). Indeed, in this universe, a particle does not have a definite trajectory (even according to Dr. Everett's theory) but can be in two places at the same time. I can make no sense of Dr. Everett's theory.]

    2. a quantum particle has a certain trajectory, but it lies only in one universe: the theory of the pilot wave from Dr. David Bohm.

    These solutions found not only theoretical objections, but an experiment was carried out (to prove the multiplicity of worlds). Although the experiment gave a positive answer about the existence of many worlds, it met with criticism from serious scientists.

    Albert Einstein argues against the non-locality of Quantum Physics, but it is largely believed, that "the experiments overturn his opinions about it and better idea prevail." I have the stuff, which would make Einstein the winner in the debate: the third solution.

    INTRODUCTION:





    MY PAPER:

    If a scientist assumes the premise: "We have only one Universe", then he faces an illogical problem: "a particle can be in several places at the same time". The proposed yet solutions are:

    Solution 1: many-worlds interpretation,
    Solution 2: David Bohm pilot wave interpretation.

    Solution 1 is the same as solution 2 because both solutions
    is the rejection of the uncertainty principle in favor of the classical determinism and classical trajectories.
    I mean, if it is given, that Bob is in Moscow and London at a given moment, then the above solutions suggest:

    Solution 1: Bob only in Moscow in Universe A (no Bob in London then), and Bob in London in Universe B,
    Solution 2: Bob only in Moscow, and there is only one Universe.

    However, the rejection of the uncertainty principle comes with wrongness:



    The experimental test to prove the existence of many-worlds has failed to convince the scientific community because has faced serious criticism:



    My own (not peer-reviewed, but rejected by many top journals) solution is being downloaded via the Personal Message to me. Or write directly to [email protected]

    APPLICATION TO THEOLOGY:

    In many worlds, there are many souls of one human being.
    Thus, the many-worlds scenario can not be followed by the theists, at least by the Abrahamic religions.

    FURTHER READING:

    Thank you. If you have enjoyed, then please step into discussions below:

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    Actually this is not a new idea. Back in the 70's I used to attend the meetings of a spiritualist group. A women member had been troubled by a spirit communication at a seance. She had previously asked the leader of our group to look into it.

    He was now quite excited and said that the spirit was that of a person from which he himself was in fact a reincarnation, this they both found to be meaningful.

    I was of course puzzled by this but my later inquiries showed this belief to be based on something similar to the idea that you have presented.
     
  3. Samantha Rinne

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    One person has one soul in the multiverse.

    That is, it is the same them, echoing infinitely . Only circumstances have changed.
     
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    I view it as the soul having a person. If we get rid of linear time, the soul indeed does have many persons. Seeing oneself as a person rather than as a soul is anava.
     
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    That is not science. In the multiple universe interpretation nothing is established about souls. It ignores the concept of souls.

    Star Trek is a TV show.
     
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  6. questfortruth

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    ABSTRACT:

    There is a problem in quantum physics: a particle can be in two places at the same time. Why is not that particle an Omnipresent Spirit? How to restore the naturalism of nature? Because of this nonlocal omnipresence, Quantum Science fails to align with Einstein's purely materialistic Theories.
    There are two known solutions to the divinity of nature:

    1. a quantum particle has a certain trajectory, but it runs through many universes: the theory of Dr. Hugh Everett.

    2. a quantum particle has a certain trajectory, but it lies only in one universe: the theory of the pilot wave from Dr. David Bohm.

    These solutions found not only theoretical objections, but an experiment was carried out (to prove the multiplicity of worlds). Although the experiment gave a positive answer about the existence of many worlds, it met with criticism from serious scientists.
     
  7. Brickjectivity

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    Spirit is non physical. Particles are physical. For me that answers it.

    It isn't the same to me as omnipresence. Also quantum theory isn't fully developed during Einstein's lifetime. He's there at the beginning, but Einstein doesn't like non-locality and calls it "Spooky action at a distance." He's willing to accept that space stretches and bends, but he doesn't want to think about non locality. He argues against it, but the experiments overturn his opinions about it and better idea prevail. Even now quantum theory isn't settled. There are questions, and they keep trying to find experiments that will expose flaws. They spend billions on this.

    Maybe there are universes in God, but God doesn't fit inside of universes in my opinion. Divinity doesn't depend upon nature. God is invisible by definition. Its always been the case that God is considered invisible, and this is an article in the churches. To me this means people cannot detect God with a metal detector or a particle collider or with space probes. People cannot make a theory that can see God. They cannot make a theory that can identify God. People cannot make a theory which can capture God. Einstein doesn't try, because he knows this. Only USSR politicians have the brass balls to try to disprove God with Science, but they are just being political and not scientific.

    Yes. Scientists criticize theories and try to find problems with theories. It is important for them to do that.
     
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    I have the stuff, which would make Einstein the winner in the debate:
     
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    Einstein is gone, so now you have to argue with the new geniuses. They might not be as smart as him. Good luck!
     
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    if an image is locked into a holographic medium [say in a sheet of glass] the picture seen is one image
    if it is shattered, and there are many pieces, each piece oddly has the same image, yet in a diminished form, lesser.
    How many images are there?
    as many as there are pieces...? or just one image shattered into many fragments?
     
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    Let’s get one thing straight...okay may be a few things straight.

    Multiverse is a proposed cosmological model...it is accepted scientific theory, therefore it isn’t science.

    Not yet.

    Until the main concept of Multiverse can be tested, it isn’t science, and it has never been science.

    The only reason why Multiverse still exist as potential scientific theory is the maths. The maths in Multiverse prove that it is theoretically possible or theoretically feasible.

    But science, and I mean real science, don’t rely on maths alone, and don’t rely on theoretical possibilities/feasibility.

    Science required empirical and verifiable evidence, which at this stage, Multiverse model don’t have.

    The Multiverse model is attractive proposed model, because it does potentially offer solutions that are not found in the Big Bang theory. But the lack of evidence, have put Multiverse model in a limbo state.

    The biggest problem is that people have already a mistaken impression that Multiverse is science when it is not science.

    The only places where Multiverse have been deemed a reality, is science fiction, like in novels, movie, tv series and in comic books. The Sci-Fi industries are the only ones who making huge profits out of the Multiverse.

    Multiverse model is the same boat as String Theory and Superstring Theory. They are all theoretical possible, but are not science because they are untested, and they have not satisfy the 3 requirements or 3 criteria of Natural Sciences: Falsifiability, Scientific Method and Peer Review.

    So for you to connect theology and the Christian afterlife to Multiverse model, is not only premature, you are turning theology into like those sci-fi industries, turning into profit-making machines, but instead of making money, you are making false advertisement to attract new believers, and thereby gaining new converts.
     
  12. questfortruth

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    Wrong, because a test was conducted:

     
  13. Jainarayan

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    In most of Hindu belief there is only one “soul”, Brahman. Brahman is all there is, there is nothing else. sarvam khalvidam brahma “all this [we see] verily is Brahman”. We are that “soul”. What we think of as multiplicity is an illusion. Including what we see as the universe(s).
     
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    I have never stated that Multiverse is a reality or a fact.

    I have stated that without evidence, Multiverse is just speculative at best, only suitable for sci-fi.

    Whether Multiverse has...

    (A) been tested (and failed)
    or (B) untested​

    ...the facts remain still the same - Multiverse ISN’T A SCIENTIFIC THEORY, therefore IT ISN’T SCIENCE.

    Either way, your assumptions that the soul of the departed dwelling afterlife in other -verses in the OP, are nothing more than a wishful fantasy.
     
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