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How does your MBTI type or Personality effect your spirituality?

ChanaR

Member
I believe my spirituality is highly effected by my personality.

The MBTI types me as an Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judging sort (INFJ). This type has at different times been called the Counselor, the Advocate, the Confidant, and the Ethicist. We are the rarest of the 16 personalities, and the hardest to get to know -- we are often referred to as mysterious. If you google INFJ I guarantee everything you read will fit me like a glove; you'll know more about me in five minutes than most people in real life know about me in years. Famous INFJ's are Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Jung, Dostoyevski, Jimmy Carter... The most famous fictitious INFJ is problem Lisa Simpson. As you can see, we are all idealists who care a great deal about our fellow human beings.

INFJ's can be found in every religion, and can be atheists and agnostics as well. But they are uncommonly spiritual even when non-religious, finding meaning in things like humanism and the intricacies of the scientific world. It is well known that even though only 1.5% of the population are INFJ, more than half the books on how to pray are written by INFJ's. They are also found disproportionately among the clergy.

How has being an INFJ effected my spirituality specifically?

The biggest way is that it has driven me and driven me and driven me to cultivate myself. I have forever pursued the virtues. Every flaw, every slightest stumble, even if I gloss over it for a long time, eventually I face up to it, cop to it, resolve to conquer it with God's grace, and make plans how to do that. This means I have spent a lot of time in self reflection--the gift of the introvert. But as perfectionistic as I am, I have never felt that God condemns me. He is brutally honest with me, and demands that I own up to my shortcomings. But I never feel rejected or unloved. I just know that he expects me to do better.

As much as I am a perfectionist with myself, my INFJ empathy and compassion makes me accepting and tolerant of others and their mistakes. It's not that I don't see wrong when wrong is there. It's that I love people anyhow. My job as a human being is to accept people as they are and help them become the best that they can be, NOT to condemn them. After all, God has not condemned me


As an INFJ, I see everyone's unique potential. Everyone is a unique snowflake--no two are alike. My job is to help each person become the very best "them" that they can be. Religiously, that means they aren't going to be like me. Heck, I want to be a Tzaddik (a Saint, a Buddha). Maybe she is beautiful just being the sweet Christian girl that goes to Church every week and sings and brings chicken potluck and clothes for the homeless and will drop everything to come over and pray with you if she things you are hurting. Maybe he is wonderful as he is not going to any religious congregation at all (unless maybe it his regular attendance at the Dodger Stadium!) but you couldn't ask for a more loyal friend, or devoted employee, or loving father. Sometimes I see these people as simply being in a different place on the journey. Other times I see them as being a different kind of flower in the garden.

As an INFJ, there is a difference in how I read scripture. Seriously. I read about it in a book called Prayer and Temperament. It's called the "TRANSLATIONAL" approach. Basically when I read the Torah, it's as if HaShem is speaking to me personally. Yes, I know in my mind that He is speaking to Moses, to Israel. I go through the whole thing of asking what was going on historically and culturally and all that. But in the end, it's still a personal message to me. What does the Lord want *me* to get out of reading these exact words at this exact time?

As an INFJ, religion can never just be about beliefs in my head. Nor could it ever be limited to being just about me. It has to be about other people. Loving my neighbor as myself. Repair of the world. If I could borrow from the New Testament, "You tell me you have faith. I'll show you my faith with my works."

As an INFJ, the intuitive is what is obvious for me. The figurative, the imaginative, the analogical are where I live. Religious teaching stories, myths, parables, etc. are simply not hard for me to understand. I read Zen stuff and its more pleasurable than sipping a chocolate milkshake. I read Jesus' parables and I think, "How come the disciples didn't get it? I read about the Baal Shem Tov and think, Oh my gosh, everyone has forgotten what this guy was really about -- they've tried to squish him back into the same old mold again because they don't understand him.

Your turn. What is your MBTI type, and how do you think it influences your spirituality. Or, if you've never been tested, describe your overall personality and do the same.

BTW, you can always google the MBTI and take one of the many online free tests and read up on yourself. The freebies are shorter an less accurate than if you pay for the full version, but you may surprise yourself. There are no wrong answers, and no type is better or worse than any other type.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I advise people not put so much stock in the Meyers-Briggs personality test. There is no scientific validity behind it, it's very inconsistent, and it was put together under very dubious circumstances.
Myers–Briggs Type Indicator - Wikipedia
The validity (statistical validity and test validity) of the MBTI as a psychometric instrument has been the subject of much criticism....
Psychometric specialist Robert Hogan wrote: "Most personality psychologists regard the MBTI as little more than an elaborate Chinese fortune cookie ..."[41]
 

ChanaR

Member
It's pretty time tested, but then again, everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion has no scientific research behind it).
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
As an INTJ I'm not supposed to believe in G-d at all. I do fit the INTJ description (I posted a thread on this a while ago) but it's not really something I care for.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It's pretty time tested, but then again, everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion has no scientific research behind it).
The test itself hasn't held up to scientific testing and research. Hence the link I posted which points to problems with validity, reliability, and a lack of evidence to support it. Meyers-Briggs isn't a very good psychometric test:
Myers–Briggs Type Indicator - Wikipedia
No evidence for dichotomies
However, most studies have found that scores on the individual scales were actually distributed in a centrally peaked manner, similar to a normal distribution, indicating that the majority of people were actually in the middle of the scale and were thus neither clearly introverted nor extroverted. Most personality traits do show a normal distribution of scores from low to high, with about 15% of people at the low end, about 15% at the high end and the majority of people in the middle ranges. But in order for the MBTI to be scored, a cut-off line is used at the middle of each scale and all those scoring below the line are classified as a low type and those scoring above the line are given the opposite type. Thus, psychometric assessment research fails to support the concept of type, but rather shows that most people lie near the middle of a continuous curve.
No evidence for "dynamic" type stack
Some MBTI supporters argue that the application of type dynamics to MBTI (e.g. where inferred "dominant" or "auxiliary" functions like Se / "Extraverted Sensing" or Ni / "Introverted Intuition" are presumed to exist) is a logical category error that has little empirical evidence backing it.[18] Instead, they argue that Myers Briggs validity as a psychometric tool is highest when each type category is viewed independently as a dichotomy.[18]
Validity and utility
In contrast, the S-N and T-F scales show relatively weak validity. The 1991 review committee concluded at the time there was "not sufficient, well-designed research to justify the use of the MBTI in career counseling programs"
Lack of objectivity
The accuracy of the MBTI depends on honest self-reporting.[19]:52–53 Unlike some personality questionnaires, such as the 16PF Questionnaire, the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or the Personality Assessment Inventory, the MBTI does not use validity scales to assess exaggerated or socially desirable responses.[11] As a result, individuals motivated to do so can fake their responses,[46] and one study found that the MBTI judgment/perception dimension correlates weakly with the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire lie scale.
Factor analysis
Researchers have reported that the JP and the SN scales correlate with one another.[34] One factor-analytic study based on (N=1291) college-aged students found six different factors instead of the four purported dimensions, thereby raising doubts as to the construct validity of the MBTI.[51]
Correlates
According to Hans Eysenck: "...The failure of the scale to disentangle Introversion and Neuroticism (there is no scale for neurotic and other psychopathological attributes in the MBTI) is its worst feature, only equalled by the failure to use factor analysis in order to test the arrangement of items in the scale."[
Reliabilit

The test-retest reliability of the MBTI tends to be low.

This pseudo-science piece of junk deserves nothing more than being forever relegated to the annals of history.

 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It's pretty time tested, but then again, everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion has no scientific research behind it).
Google is your friend. The criticisms of MBTI are easy enough to find if you care to look for them.

An example:
In summary, it appears that the MBTI does not conform to many of the basic standards expected of psychological tests. Many very specific predictions about the MBTI have not been confirmed or have been proved wrong. There is no obvious evidence that there are 16 unique categories in which all people can be placed. There is no evidence that scores generated by the MBTI reflect the stable and unchanging personality traits that are claimed to be measured. Finally, there is no evidence that the MBTI measures anything of value.
http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

Another:

When it comes to accuracy, if you put a horoscope on one end and a heart monitor on the other, the MBTI falls about halfway in between.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It's pretty time tested, but then again, everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion has no scientific research behind it).
Google is your friend. The criticisms of MBTI are easy enough to find if you care to look for them.

An example:
In summary, it appears that the MBTI does not conform to many of the basic standards expected of psychological tests. Many very specific predictions about the MBTI have not been confirmed or have been proved wrong. There is no obvious evidence that there are 16 unique categories in which all people can be placed. There is no evidence that scores generated by the MBTI reflect the stable and unchanging personality traits that are claimed to be measured. Finally, there is no evidence that the MBTI measures anything of value.
http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

Another:

When it comes to accuracy, if you put a horoscope on one end and a heart monitor on the other, the MBTI falls about halfway in between.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I believe my spirituality is highly effected by my personality.

The MBTI types me as an Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judging sort (INFJ). This type has at different times been called the Counselor, the Advocate, the Confidant, and the Ethicist. We are the rarest of the 16 personalities, and the hardest to get to know -- we are often referred to as mysterious. If you google INFJ I guarantee everything you read will fit me like a glove; you'll know more about me in five minutes than most people in real life know about me in years. Famous INFJ's are Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Jung, Dostoyevski, Jimmy Carter... The most famous fictitious INFJ is problem Lisa Simpson. As you can see, we are all idealists who care a great deal about our fellow human beings.

INFJ's can be found in every religion, and can be atheists and agnostics as well. But they are uncommonly spiritual even when non-religious, finding meaning in things like humanism and the intricacies of the scientific world. It is well known that even though only 1.5% of the population are INFJ, more than half the books on how to pray are written by INFJ's. They are also found disproportionately among the clergy.

How has being an INFJ effected my spirituality specifically?

The biggest way is that it has driven me and driven me and driven me to cultivate myself. I have forever pursued the virtues. Every flaw, every slightest stumble, even if I gloss over it for a long time, eventually I face up to it, cop to it, resolve to conquer it with God's grace, and make plans how to do that. This means I have spent a lot of time in self reflection--the gift of the introvert. But as perfectionistic as I am, I have never felt that God condemns me. He is brutally honest with me, and demands that I own up to my shortcomings. But I never feel rejected or unloved. I just know that he expects me to do better.

As much as I am a perfectionist with myself, my INFJ empathy and compassion makes me accepting and tolerant of others and their mistakes. It's not that I don't see wrong when wrong is there. It's that I love people anyhow. My job as a human being is to accept people as they are and help them become the best that they can be, NOT to condemn them. After all, God has not condemned me


As an INFJ, I see everyone's unique potential. Everyone is a unique snowflake--no two are alike. My job is to help each person become the very best "them" that they can be. Religiously, that means they aren't going to be like me. Heck, I want to be a Tzaddik (a Saint, a Buddha). Maybe she is beautiful just being the sweet Christian girl that goes to Church every week and sings and brings chicken potluck and clothes for the homeless and will drop everything to come over and pray with you if she things you are hurting. Maybe he is wonderful as he is not going to any religious congregation at all (unless maybe it his regular attendance at the Dodger Stadium!) but you couldn't ask for a more loyal friend, or devoted employee, or loving father. Sometimes I see these people as simply being in a different place on the journey. Other times I see them as being a different kind of flower in the garden.

As an INFJ, there is a difference in how I read scripture. Seriously. I read about it in a book called Prayer and Temperament. It's called the "TRANSLATIONAL" approach. Basically when I read the Torah, it's as if HaShem is speaking to me personally. Yes, I know in my mind that He is speaking to Moses, to Israel. I go through the whole thing of asking what was going on historically and culturally and all that. But in the end, it's still a personal message to me. What does the Lord want *me* to get out of reading these exact words at this exact time?

As an INFJ, religion can never just be about beliefs in my head. Nor could it ever be limited to being just about me. It has to be about other people. Loving my neighbor as myself. Repair of the world. If I could borrow from the New Testament, "You tell me you have faith. I'll show you my faith with my works."

As an INFJ, the intuitive is what is obvious for me. The figurative, the imaginative, the analogical are where I live. Religious teaching stories, myths, parables, etc. are simply not hard for me to understand. I read Zen stuff and its more pleasurable than sipping a chocolate milkshake. I read Jesus' parables and I think, "How come the disciples didn't get it? I read about the Baal Shem Tov and think, Oh my gosh, everyone has forgotten what this guy was really about -- they've tried to squish him back into the same old mold again because they don't understand him.

Your turn. What is your MBTI type, and how do you think it influences your spirituality. Or, if you've never been tested, describe your overall personality and do the same.

BTW, you can always google the MBTI and take one of the many online free tests and read up on yourself. The freebies are shorter an less accurate than if you pay for the full version, but you may surprise yourself. There are no wrong answers, and no type is better or worse than any other type.


"affected". Perfectionists take note.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
MBTI is almost the modern equivelent of having your horoscope done. Meh!

Your "spiritual" sorts tend to denigrate science.
(unless is seems to back t heir ideas, as is
so often noted)

Psychology may be more of a superstition than
a science, it is at least a hundred years behind,
say, physics or chemistry.

Elevating some study that is not even respected
among the psychologists to any sort of status
seems kind of silly.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
I've taken the personality test on three different occasions, each spaced a year or two apart. First time, got INTP, second time got INTJ, and third time got INTP. But in any case, I don't really care. Besides, personalities can evolve over time.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
As an INTJ I'm not supposed to believe in G-d at all. I do fit the INTJ description (I posted a thread on this a while ago) but it's not really something I care for.

That's not necessarily true. CS Lewis was apparently categorized as an INTJ. I would also imagine many religious intellectuals like Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, etc. probably fit the description.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
I believe my spirituality is highly effected by my personality.

The MBTI types me as an Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judging sort (INFJ). This type has at different times been called the Counselor, the Advocate, the Confidant, and the Ethicist. We are the rarest of the 16 personalities, and the hardest to get to know -- we are often referred to as mysterious. If you google INFJ I guarantee everything you read will fit me like a glove; you'll know more about me in five minutes than most people in real life know about me in years. Famous INFJ's are Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Jung, Dostoyevski, Jimmy Carter... The most famous fictitious INFJ is problem Lisa Simpson. As you can see, we are all idealists who care a great deal about our fellow human beings.

INFJ's can be found in every religion, and can be atheists and agnostics as well. But they are uncommonly spiritual even when non-religious, finding meaning in things like humanism and the intricacies of the scientific world. It is well known that even though only 1.5% of the population are INFJ, more than half the books on how to pray are written by INFJ's. They are also found disproportionately among the clergy.

How has being an INFJ effected my spirituality specifically?

The biggest way is that it has driven me and driven me and driven me to cultivate myself. I have forever pursued the virtues. Every flaw, every slightest stumble, even if I gloss over it for a long time, eventually I face up to it, cop to it, resolve to conquer it with God's grace, and make plans how to do that. This means I have spent a lot of time in self reflection--the gift of the introvert. But as perfectionistic as I am, I have never felt that God condemns me. He is brutally honest with me, and demands that I own up to my shortcomings. But I never feel rejected or unloved. I just know that he expects me to do better.

As much as I am a perfectionist with myself, my INFJ empathy and compassion makes me accepting and tolerant of others and their mistakes. It's not that I don't see wrong when wrong is there. It's that I love people anyhow. My job as a human being is to accept people as they are and help them become the best that they can be, NOT to condemn them. After all, God has not condemned me


As an INFJ, I see everyone's unique potential. Everyone is a unique snowflake--no two are alike. My job is to help each person become the very best "them" that they can be. Religiously, that means they aren't going to be like me. Heck, I want to be a Tzaddik (a Saint, a Buddha). Maybe she is beautiful just being the sweet Christian girl that goes to Church every week and sings and brings chicken potluck and clothes for the homeless and will drop everything to come over and pray with you if she things you are hurting. Maybe he is wonderful as he is not going to any religious congregation at all (unless maybe it his regular attendance at the Dodger Stadium!) but you couldn't ask for a more loyal friend, or devoted employee, or loving father. Sometimes I see these people as simply being in a different place on the journey. Other times I see them as being a different kind of flower in the garden.

As an INFJ, there is a difference in how I read scripture. Seriously. I read about it in a book called Prayer and Temperament. It's called the "TRANSLATIONAL" approach. Basically when I read the Torah, it's as if HaShem is speaking to me personally. Yes, I know in my mind that He is speaking to Moses, to Israel. I go through the whole thing of asking what was going on historically and culturally and all that. But in the end, it's still a personal message to me. What does the Lord want *me* to get out of reading these exact words at this exact time?

As an INFJ, religion can never just be about beliefs in my head. Nor could it ever be limited to being just about me. It has to be about other people. Loving my neighbor as myself. Repair of the world. If I could borrow from the New Testament, "You tell me you have faith. I'll show you my faith with my works."

As an INFJ, the intuitive is what is obvious for me. The figurative, the imaginative, the analogical are where I live. Religious teaching stories, myths, parables, etc. are simply not hard for me to understand. I read Zen stuff and its more pleasurable than sipping a chocolate milkshake. I read Jesus' parables and I think, "How come the disciples didn't get it? I read about the Baal Shem Tov and think, Oh my gosh, everyone has forgotten what this guy was really about -- they've tried to squish him back into the same old mold again because they don't understand him.

Your turn. What is your MBTI type, and how do you think it influences your spirituality. Or, if you've never been tested, describe your overall personality and do the same.

BTW, you can always google the MBTI and take one of the many online free tests and read up on yourself. The freebies are shorter an less accurate than if you pay for the full version, but you may surprise yourself. There are no wrong answers, and no type is better or worse than any other type.

How are you defining the word “spirituality” for the purpose of this question?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
That's not necessarily true. CS Lewis was apparently categorized as an INTJ. I would also imagine many religious intellectuals like Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, etc. probably fit the description.

I'd not say Newton was an intuitive sort.
He was very much the 99% perspiration kind
which made a good combo with what was evidentlgy
a genius IQ,
 

ChanaR

Member
How are you defining the word “spirituality” for the purpose of this question?
Being concerned with things beyond the physical or material. It has a lot to do with meaning, with the Why of our individual existence. Some people find it in the transcendent experience of worship. Others find it in something simple, such as being a dancer, or gazing at the stars. Even an atheist can develop a deity free spirituality. This is a very, very open ended OP.
 

ChanaR

Member
Google is your friend. The criticisms of MBTI are easy enough to find if you care to look for them.

An example:

http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

Another:


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
You're right. Google is your friend. You can find all sorts of studies, such as:

Validity of both Forms M and Q has been examined through behavioral observations, exploratory and confirmatory factor analyses, correlations with related measures, and even brain scans. For instance:
  • Introverts spend significantly more time than Extraverts conducting “heads down” work, while Extraverts spend significantly more time doing work in open areas (Schaubhut, Thompson, & O’Hara, 2008)
  • Intuitives express significantly greater interest in Artistic occupations than Sensors (O’Hara, Thompson, Donnay, Morris, & Schaubhut, 2006)
  • Thinkers score significantly higher than Feelers on dominance, while Feelers score significantly higher on nurturance (Quenk, Hammer, & Majors, 2001)
  • Judgers score significantly higher than Perceivers on order, while Perceivers score significantly higher on change (Quenk, Hammer, & Majors, 2001)

In fact, a research database maintained by the Center for Applications of Psychological Type (CAPT) lists more than 10,000 articles, books, and chapters relevant to the study of psychological type. Today, the MBTI assessment is available in 21 languages, with more translations and international research efforts in development. With its long and distinguished history, it continues to be used by people around the world to improve individual and team performance, explore careers, and reduce workplace conflict. Through these and other applications, the MBTI assessment is playing a part in the vision laid out by Briggs and Myers, helping people understand and appreciate themselves and others.

https://www.cpp.com/en-US/Support/Validity-of-the-Myers-Briggs-assessment
 

ChanaR

Member
As an INTJ I'm not supposed to believe in G-d at all. I do fit the INTJ description (I posted a thread on this a while ago) but it's not really something I care for.
I've had more than one Rabbi who was INTJ. INTJ's make great clergy. However, they make good atheists as well. I find that they are simply very rational and objective about what they believe rather than touchy feely; for example, most distrust the "personal experience" stuff.

I note the respectful spelling of Hashem, and that you have made other Jewish posts. It's very nice to meet you.
 
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