FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Thank you for you illustration.
In Islam only gambling in games is forbidden such as wheel games,lotteries..etc
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How does you religion feel about gambling?
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Thank you for you illustration.
In Islam only gambling in games is forbidden such as wheel games,lotteries..etc
Does islam actually says wheel, Saturday lotto or is it ur assumption ? Just a bit curious to know
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
in quran it makes it clear that games of chance are forbidden
O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed. (5:90)
Rig Veda has a verse dedicated to gambling. Rig equates gambling to bondage. The Mahabharata story is an expanded reflection of this verse.
Rig Veda
10.034.01 The large rattling dice exhilarate me as torrents borne on a precipice flowing in a desert; the exciting dice animate me as the taste of the Soma of Maujavat (delights the gods).
10.034.02 This (my wife) has not been angry (with me), nor was she overcome with shame; kind was she to me and to my friends; yet for the sake of one or other die, I have deserted this affectionate spouse.
10.034.03 My mother-in-law reviles me, my wife opposes me; the beggar meets no compassionate (benefactor); I do not realize the enjoyment of the gamester any more than that of a valuable horse grown old.
10.034.04 Others touch the wife of him whose wealth the potent dice covet; his mother, father, brothers say, "we know him not, take him away bound (where you will)".
10.034.05 When I relect, (then I say), "I will play no more with them". I pay attention to my friends who desert (me); and the tawny dice rattle as they are thrown; I hasten to their accustomed place as a harlot (to an assignation).
10.034.06 The gamester goes to the gambling table, radiant in person, and asking himself, "Shall I win?" The dice increase his passion for play as he practises the arts of (gambling) with his adversary.
10.034.07 Dice verily are armed with hooks, with goads, pricking, paining and torturing (the gamester); to the winning (player) they are the givers of sons, they are tipped with honey; slaying him in return by taking away the gambler's (all).
10.034.08 The aggregate fifty-three of them are played as the divine truth, observant Savita_, (travels); the dice bow not before the wrath of any, however violent; a king himself pays them homage.
10.034.09 Now they abide below; now they palpitate on high handless, they overpower him who has hands; cast upon the dice-board like coals from the sky, even though cold they burn the heart.
10.034.10 The deserted wife of the gamester is afflicted; the mother (grieves) for the son wandering wherever he likes; involved in debt, ever in fear, anxious for wealth, (the gambler) goes forth by night to the dwellings of others (to plunder).
10.034.11 The gamester, having observed the happy wife and well-ordered home of others, suffers regret; yet in the forenoon he puts to the tawny steeds, and at night the sinner lies down by the fire.
10.034.12 Dice, I offer salutation to him who has been the general of your great army, the chief lord of your host; I do not provide him with wealth; I raise my ten (fingers) to the east; that (which) I speak (is) the truth.
10.034.13 Giving serious attention (to my advise), play not with dice; pursue agriculture; delight in wealth (so acquired); there, gambler, are cows; there is a wife; so has this (visible) sovereign Savita_ declared to me.
10.034.14 Be friends with us (dice); bestow upon us happiness; approach us not in terrible wrath; let your anger light upon our enemies; let our enemy fall under the bondage of the tawny (dice).
This is also the story of life, it seems.
Haha I completely agree with you. I'm not opposed to buying the odd lottery ticket.
Everything about Hindu philosophy is recommendations about life and helping us to understand how things work and what is good or bad for our spiritual progression. So even gambling is not outright prohibited. We are not punished for playing one game and ending it. However we are made to understand how some things can lead down a dark path and that if we allow it to take control of us, bad things can happen. When those bad things do happen (like addiction) then we must suffer the negative repercussions (karma).
But for people like me, even starting it can be too much.
I remember once when I was younger, I went to a local amusement park, and there was one of those machines where you insert coins, and you manipulate a thingy to get prizes. I wanted a watch, and had about 20 dollars given to me by my mom for my free use. I ended up using almost all of it on the blasted thing, and have no watch to show for it.
So, I don't gamble real money.
I don't mind playing the games themselves, as long as there is an element of skill, but never for money.
Yes, and you're smart enough to learn from your experiences
I know that I would easily become addicted to gambling which is why I keep my distance too.
Gaura Priya
IRL
Yes, and you're smart enough to learn from your experiences
I know that I would easily become addicted to gambling which is why I keep my distance too.
The nice thing about Hinduism is that there is no Devil or personified Evil to somehow tempt you. Although maya is often personified to be akin to it, it's still not the same as calling something 'evil' in itself.
Just like how Mahabharata there is in the ultimatum, no sense of good characters or evil characters (just people who have both sides in their personality), so it is with things such as gambling, or prostitution, depending on the situation.
Although gambling can be quite addicting, and I stay away from it too. XD I grew up in a lower-middle class family with parents, although struggling to make a living, would spend it on a weekend in a casino. :no:
Even a lottery ticket I would never touch! I could be spending that money on chocolates or something!
The nice thing about Hinduism is that there is no Devil or personified Evil to somehow tempt you. Although maya is often personified to be akin to it, it's still not the same as calling something 'evil' in itself.
Just like how Mahabharata there is in the ultimatum, no sense of good characters or evil characters (just people who have both sides in their personality), so it is with things such as gambling, or prostitution, depending on the situation.
Although gambling can be quite addicting, and I stay away from it too. XD I grew up in a lower-middle class family with parents, although struggling to make a living, would spend it on a weekend in a casino. :no:
Even a lottery ticket I would never touch! I could be spending that money on chocolates or something!
I'd spend it on a soda. :yes:
I'm incorporating a similar interpretation of Germanic neopaganism, with no inherent good or evil, but just wise council; even Loki isn't evil so much as he's the God who tells the over-serious to lighten up a little. ^_^
But it's ultimately up to us whether to follow that council, and the unwise will simply experience the consequences of their choices.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
From the Biblical point of view, or more specifically the Christian point of view, wanting to win money (or some other valuable prize) at someone else's expense is demonstrating an unchristian motive. They must lose so you can win.
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and by craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains." (1 Tim 6:10 Holman)
It is not money that is evil, but the love of it that leads people away from God and into sometimes criminal activity.
Like all things that can become addictive, it soon becomes apparent that a little will no longer do and greed takes over. Those with gambling addictions can find themselves taking a wrong course to get more money for that win that they know is just around the corner. It robs people of their salary, their families and their reputation.....for what?
Even if there is a win, there is no guarantee of happiness because of it. Often it leads to heartache as family members squabble over their share of the good fortune. Many people have regretted their win and wished they had never done so. :sad:
The Bible promotes hard work to get what we want in life, not games of chance. (Prov 2:24) Jesus also recommended spiritual riches rather than material ones which can all be lost in a few minutes. (Matt 6:19-21)
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and by craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains." (1 Tim 6:10 Holman)
It is not money that is evil, but the love of it that leads people away from God and into sometimes criminal activity.
Like all things that can become addictive, it soon becomes apparent that a little will no longer do and greed takes over. Those with gambling addictions can find themselves taking a wrong course to get more money for that win that they know is just around the corner. It robs people of their salary, their families and their reputation.....for what?
Even if there is a win, there is no guarantee of happiness because of it. Often it leads to heartache as family members squabble over their share of the good fortune. Many people have regretted their win and wished they had never done so. :sad:
The Bible promotes hard work to get what we want in life, not games of chance. (Prov 2:24) Jesus also recommended spiritual riches rather than material ones which can all be lost in a few minutes. (Matt 6:19-21)
HeatherHeart
Member
Well anyone with common sense and who works hard for their $$ (most people) wouldn't want to throw their money away by gambling, yet many do. It is obviously the D@#il making people do this. I have gambled before a few times, winning and losing (winning more than losing), but it is a shameful thing in Christianity. The bible has much to say on this:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/gambling
http://www.openbible.info/topics/gambling
Rig Veda has a verse dedicated to gambling. Rig equates gambling to bondage. The Mahabharata story is an expanded reflection of this verse.
Rig Veda
10.034.01 The large rattling dice exhilarate me as torrents borne on a precipice flowing in a desert; the exciting dice animate me as the taste of the Soma of Maujavat (delights the gods).
... [cut for space]This is also the story of life, it seems.
Thanks. I wish I knew more of the Vedas. I don't know how long they are in print, or if there are even any decent English translations. I think there is one by Wendy Doniger, but her works are routinely and soundly trashed for bias.
I always say "No lifeguard; swim at your own karmic risk".
One time years ago I went to the Seaside Heights boardwalk and amusement park (before Superstorm Sandy trashed it) with a friend. There was a game that she just could not win, trying over and over. I don't know how long I stood there, watching her and trying to pull her away, as she was clearly not going to win. It got to the point that the guy running the game had to flag her like a bartender does to someone whose had enough to drink. He actually refused to let her play anymore.
There have been studies that have shown that some peoples' brains are wired a bit differently for gambling than others. Some people get a rush out of it, while other people aren't interested at all.
I live in a city centered around gambling; one of the world centers of it. I don't get it at all.
I have family members that like to gamble, but they control themselves at least. They are infinitely confused at how I live in a gambling town and yet have never once set foot in any casinos to gamble. I've only ever gone to them for some shopping, or to see some beautiful sights or a show. Gambling just doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I also understand probability theory and can mathematically explain why it's not a good use of my money.
Addictive gambling is clearly deleterious and people shouldn't do it.
If people gamble as a hobby, then I don't really see it as a problem. For example, I know people that gamble and drink a bit and then go see a show, and they view the money they lost gambling as the 'price' of their evening, like paying money for a movie ticket. They pay money for an evening they enjoy, so I can't really judge.
Other people gamble competitively, like pro poker players. There's more skill there than chance. It's a competitive sport and some people enjoy it, so as long as they make appropriate bets, I don't care. Doesn't sound fun to me though.
Lottery tickets are mathematically bad investments as well, and they're kind of a voluntary tax. The only time I've ever bought one is when the whole office does a lottery pool and I'm like "whatever, here's $5".
Many religions, and many worldviews in general, tend to provide black and white rules for people to follow which often end up being a substitute for thought for the masses rather than individually useful advice. "Don't gamble" is generally good advice, but telling that to someone that gambles in a controlled manner as a hobby they enjoy is a waste of time. Wine seems to have come up in this thread too. Being an alcoholic is bad but telling a wine connoisseur who loves it and who has no negative effects from wine at all (and who may have health benefits from it) that drinking is wrong is bad logic. Because it's a statistical argument aimed towards someone who's not affected by alcoholism.
People should not always assume that advice aimed at the masses is individually useful for everyone.
I live in a city centered around gambling; one of the world centers of it. I don't get it at all.
I have family members that like to gamble, but they control themselves at least. They are infinitely confused at how I live in a gambling town and yet have never once set foot in any casinos to gamble. I've only ever gone to them for some shopping, or to see some beautiful sights or a show. Gambling just doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I also understand probability theory and can mathematically explain why it's not a good use of my money.
Addictive gambling is clearly deleterious and people shouldn't do it.
If people gamble as a hobby, then I don't really see it as a problem. For example, I know people that gamble and drink a bit and then go see a show, and they view the money they lost gambling as the 'price' of their evening, like paying money for a movie ticket. They pay money for an evening they enjoy, so I can't really judge.
Other people gamble competitively, like pro poker players. There's more skill there than chance. It's a competitive sport and some people enjoy it, so as long as they make appropriate bets, I don't care. Doesn't sound fun to me though.
Lottery tickets are mathematically bad investments as well, and they're kind of a voluntary tax. The only time I've ever bought one is when the whole office does a lottery pool and I'm like "whatever, here's $5".
Many religions, and many worldviews in general, tend to provide black and white rules for people to follow which often end up being a substitute for thought for the masses rather than individually useful advice. "Don't gamble" is generally good advice, but telling that to someone that gambles in a controlled manner as a hobby they enjoy is a waste of time. Wine seems to have come up in this thread too. Being an alcoholic is bad but telling a wine connoisseur who loves it and who has no negative effects from wine at all (and who may have health benefits from it) that drinking is wrong is bad logic. Because it's a statistical argument aimed towards someone who's not affected by alcoholism.
People should not always assume that advice aimed at the masses is individually useful for everyone.
Till an age of 42-43, I had the supreme confidence in my rational mind's control over everything -- even though I had read Schopenhauer at very young age. Then at 42 that illusion shattered.
Gambling, like smoking, is an addiction. One may not even rationally know when the Dice hooks one (as described in the Rig Veda verse). And it not only about conventional gambling.
Gambling, like smoking, is an addiction. One may not even rationally know when the Dice hooks one (as described in the Rig Veda verse). And it not only about conventional gambling.
In my version of Hinuism, gambling would fall under 'anava' or 'the bondage of ignorance'. It explains other's behaviour. I don't look down on gamblers, just see them as people who haven't matured.
Still I will go to the horse races and bet 2 bucks a race, maybe once a year. I love the smell of horses, (a remnant of a rural childhood) and its a good place to study and observe addiction without risking your life. On a nice warm summer day, it can be a very inexpensive social outing as well, if you go with friends.
Still I will go to the horse races and bet 2 bucks a race, maybe once a year. I love the smell of horses, (a remnant of a rural childhood) and its a good place to study and observe addiction without risking your life. On a nice warm summer day, it can be a very inexpensive social outing as well, if you go with friends.
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ajay0
Well-Known Member
Gambling.like alcoholism, is usually seen in a negative light in Hinduism. In the Mahabharatha, Kings Yudhisthira and Nala were reduced to paupers due to their addiction to gambling.
Addiction to gambling implies inordinate craving or attachment, which are considered to be vices in the Prajapita Brahmakumaris along with lust, anger, greed, egoism.
https://www.brahma-kumaris.com/four-subjects
Addiction to gambling implies inordinate craving or attachment, which are considered to be vices in the Prajapita Brahmakumaris along with lust, anger, greed, egoism.
https://www.brahma-kumaris.com/four-subjects
Galateasdream
Active Member
It would be both presumptuous and impossible to speak on behalf of Chrstianity, or even my little version of it (which many other xtians might disown), so I'll just give my own individual POV:
Gambling is, like many pleasures, not risk free. If you enjoy it then it's there to be enjoyed in life - but like sex, food, smoking, sport, gaming and much else, one should be wise with regard the addictive and harmful potential of this pastime.
All pleasures can turn sour, some more risky than others. Gambling is a potential source of fun, but it is one of the riskier ones. Be careful.
Gambling is, like many pleasures, not risk free. If you enjoy it then it's there to be enjoyed in life - but like sex, food, smoking, sport, gaming and much else, one should be wise with regard the addictive and harmful potential of this pastime.
All pleasures can turn sour, some more risky than others. Gambling is a potential source of fun, but it is one of the riskier ones. Be careful.