starlite
Texasgirl
paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime...
Where do I find support for this statement in the scriptures?
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paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime...
Where do I find support for this statement in the scriptures?
Gday,
Origen was wrong.
G.Matthew was written in Greek, NOT Hebrew.
And - Matthew did NOT write the Gospel - in fact the authors are all UNKNOWN person who never met Jesus.
Modern NT scholars agree -
the entire NT was written by Greek speakers who never met Jesus.
Iasion
Gday,
Origen was wrong.
G.Matthew was written in Greek, NOT Hebrew.
And - Matthew did NOT write the Gospel - in fact the authors are all UNKNOWN person who never met Jesus.
Modern NT scholars agree -
the entire NT was written by Greek speakers who never met Jesus.
Iasion
Gday,
Pardon?
No mention there of
"paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime ..."
Pardon?
No mention there of
"paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime ..."
Pardon?
No mention there of
"paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime ..."
Pardon?
No mention there of
"paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime ..."
"these last days"Pardon?
No mention there of
"paul also claimed jesus was coming back within his lifetime ..."
He says "coming" - for the FIRST time.
Mate -
NONE of your quotes actually claimed Jesus was returning in Paul's lifetime.
Didn't you notice that ?
Iasion
here you go...
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
Please notice in verse 13 that verses 14-17 the 'we' are directed to Jesus 'brothers'.
Jesus 'brothers' that would be living on earth at the time of separation, or still be alive on earth at the time of Jesus 'brothers' being alive on earth of Matthew 25v40.
They would be Jesus 'brothers' alive at the time of Jesus 'glory' of verse 31.
Paul would have been familiar with Jesus teaching illustration of Luke 19 vs11-15 showing the long passing of time would be involved before the 'return' and would Not be immediate.
i'm not sure i understand
jesus' brother's are dead
His literal brothers "yes" but his spiritual brothers "no".
excuse me...equal to what?why do i automatically presume that jesus is not an equal?
excuse me...equal to what?
i'm not sure i understand
jesus' brother's are dead
"we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord"
the story in luke is irrelevant...
can you explain why you think it is?
Please explain why you say Jesus illustration in Luke chapter 19 is irrelevant?
As starlite mentioned Jesus 'spiritual' brothers are not dead.
Christians alive on earth today are not dead.
Those living Christians of Matthew 25v40 are Jesus 'spiritual' brothers.
If God is our Father, and Jesus is His Son, then Jesus is our brother. I'm just sayin'.
so he's your equal...
SPIRITUAL brother....
so if jesus is your spiritual brother...you and jesus are spiritually equal
meaning both you and him are righteous judges... Spiritually.
Since he is a spiritually righteous judge and you are his equal then so are you
is that what you mean?
no....
i'm not sure how you can reconcile jesus as your spiritual brother as not being equal to him.
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lords word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
is jesus writing the letter to thessalonica or is it paul...
wouldn't paul be considered more of a brother than jesus?
so yes i still stand by my claim...paul thought jesus was coming back within his lifetime.
a short simple "no" doesn't support your claim, can you support your claim?