The Quran doesn't say what punishment is needed, just that they should be punished. The hadith is where death is the punishment. (Or so I just read.)The Quran does not prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality.
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The Quran doesn't say what punishment is needed, just that they should be punished. The hadith is where death is the punishment. (Or so I just read.)The Quran does not prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality.
Every so often? I'd say rather regularly.Every so often Baha'is slip up and reveal they're just like the other Abrahamic monotheists they claim they're here to supplant.
It's a challenge but so is living up to other Baha'i laws. But Baha'is do it out of love. Anyone can leave anytime but many choose to stay because of their love for Baha'u'llah.
You can eat whatever you want. It doesn't bother me. That's your business ... what you want to put into your gut.Then it's vegetarian!
Since when is wanting equal rights an agenda? Do you think the Baha'i's of Iran are promoting their agenda?
Why wouldn't they get kicked out? It's clearly going against the teachings. Have any been kicked out?
I meant the same sex marriage promotion.
Who defines whether these should be rights or not to marry a person of the same sex? Governments, society, people? God? Religion?
Isn't it the UHJ that excommunicates?I don't know to be honest. I think such matters are between them and their own conscience.
Isn't it the UHJ that excommunicates?
It's a challenge but so is living up to other Baha'i laws. But Baha'is do it out of love. Anyone can leave anytime but many choose to stay because of their love for Baha'u'llah.
I hope all Bahai (and I'm being indirect on purpose) understand this. When you do things out of love, your persona changes. You learn stuff. Like over 9,000 posts ago, Lover, I thought your views expressed pretty negatively. "Years" later, as you start putting conversations in your own words, I think some of us see a great change in your personality.
Something in "what I learned" activity I thought about posts back. A lot of people change overtime. It takes patience, compassion, and a huge level of interest and understanding. I'm sure Bahaullah has somewhat of an agreement on this.
But, yeah, if a couple of you were in Virginia, I would not mind meeting up for coffee. I think we earned it. Haha.
It's not a promotion. It's merely people coming to their senses.
Right now governments, in their search for fair treatment, seem to be the ones defining it, and changing archaic laws. Thank goodness for secular governments. In countries where religion plays a key part, there seems to be massive abuse to minorities. The Baha'i's in Iran are an example of that. Still, you're probably safer to be a Baha'i' there than to be gay.
At one time here in Canada Hindu marriages weren't considered legal either. The largely Christian controlled governments used 'not a religion' as a reason not to grant the license to Hindu priests.
For putting up with me you deserve a medal and to be taken out to dinner!!
Why thank you! I can go for vegetarian as long as it's American food or similar. I don't know why I just thought of a group dinner cruise.
It seems to be we're in an age of transition discarding the old and bringing in the new.
Yes, I think most people would just leave quietly on their own. That seems to be the most common scenario from all the ex-Baha'i' stuff I've read. True for most religions, I think. Why make a big stink when it is very unlikely to change anything? If a gay Baha'i' tried to challenge the UHJ from within, he'd get nowhere, and if he couldn't figure that much out from the beginning, he ain't too smart.I don't recall any since my 40 years as a Baha'i but they are very, very rare.
We believe in the protection of minorities so if it ever comes to that any minority group would be protected.
Protection of Minorities
For Bahais, Bahaullah asked them to obey His Laws for the Love of His beauty:
“Observe My commandments, for the love of My beauty." Bahaullah, Book of Aqdas.
I can understand you. Bahais investigated, and recognized Bahaullah as a Manifestation of God, and the Beloved. For those who do not recognize Bahaullah as the Beloved, i can not see, why would they love Bahaullah and obey Him. However, to me, I have not seen even a single valid argument to disprove Bahaullah. I only see expressions of disbelief rather than a logical argument to refute Bahaullah.Sounds something more like what an egotistical dictator would say.