How are these Great Beings explained?

[loverofhumanity]

How could it be the same - when Baha'i want to be in power?

" Bahá’u’lláh states that the knowledge of God is revealed through His Manifestation,

"“In the religion of God, there is no freedom of action outside the law of God"

That means if your religion took power, - there would be No freedom outside your religious laws.

Not for me - ever.

PS - Right to marriage and children is not an evil or immoral "agenda".

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For those who believe yes but for those who don't they do not come under our laws.

 

[Ingledsva]

My understanding is God knows all these things and if He still says it's a morality issue then He would know as He created us.

Again - this is ridiculous, - and how I know such religions are NOT from any God.

It seems that God rejects the argument that homosexuality is acquired at birth and that would explain why He does not approve of it.

But He leaves people to go their own way. That's all we can do too. Just go our own way and walk the path we believe is right and moral and let others go their way,

NO! Patriarchal religions claim God rejects such.

We know for a fact that if certain chemicals don't kick in at the right time we end up with babies all over the spectrum, - Bi, - Gay, - Transgender, - born with both penis and vagina, etc. We now know for a FACT that babies are BORN this way, - and the babies born with both sexual parts should prove it to the rest of you. You can't get around it.

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[Ingledsva]

God has the right to His own opinion.

But the Hadiths are not from God. Hadiths are not the Word of God only the Quran is.

Many hadiths were formulated by Muhammad's enemies to misrepresent Islam. The only authentic verified Word of God accepted by all Muslims is the Quran. Baha'is don't accept hadiths either as they are unreliable whereas the Quran is fully authenticated.

Apparently you didn't notice the Quran verse?

It is from this that the Hadiths are put forth.

And I agree with you that hadiths are just the writings of men, but in reality so are all religious books.

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[Ingledsva]

For those who believe yes but for those who don't they do not come under our laws.

Again, - you can't tell me if you folks ended up in power, - you wouldn't enforce your religious will on others.

I don't believe it for a minute.

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[loverofhumanity]

Again, - you can't tell me if you folks ended up in power, - you wouldn't enforce your religious will on others.

I don't believe it for a minute.

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We believe in the protection of minorities so if it ever comes to that any minority group would be protected.

Protection of Minorities

 

[loverofhumanity]

Apparently you didn't notice the Quran verse?

It is from this that the Hadiths are put forth.

And I agree with you that hadiths are just the writings of men, but in reality so are all religious books.

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The Quran does not prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We know for a fact that if certain chemicals don't kick in at the right time we end up with babies all over the spectrum, - Bi, - Gay, - Transgender, - born with both penis and vagina, etc. We now know for a FACT that babies are BORN this way, - and the babies born with both sexual parts should prove it to the rest of you. You can't get around it.

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All that was proved is that man has added too much poision to the natural world.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

Again - this is ridiculous, - and how I know such religions are NOT from any God.



NO! Patriarchal religions claim God rejects such.

We know for a fact that if certain chemicals don't kick in at the right time we end up with babies all over the spectrum, - Bi, - Gay, - Transgender, - born with both penis and vagina, etc. We now know for a FACT that babies are BORN this way, - and the babies born with both sexual parts should prove it to the rest of you. You can't get around it.

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Yes that does happen but it's not the norm. I wouldn't use exceptions as a case for homosexuality worldwide.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Where is it concluded that homosexuality is totally defined by the act of sex?

In your and biblical scriptures.

Then later said that homosexualis about the act of sex and you disagreed with me that it is about sexual orientation. The dictionary doesn't define it as an act of sex but a sexual orientation.

So the "act of sex" is specifically your belief.

"Bahá’í teachings on sexual morality centre on marriage and the family as the bedrock of the whole structure of human society and are designed to protect and strengthen that divine institution. Thus Bahá’í law restricts permissible sexual intercourse to that between a man and the woman to whom he is married.

"Thus, it should not be so much a matter of whether a practicing homosexual can be a Bahá’í as whether, having become a Bahá’í, the homosexual can overcome his problem through knowledge of the teachings and reliance on Bahá’u’lláh."

(From a letter of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer, March 14, 1973)

Your religion places emphasis on family and marriage. Homosexuals can't get married not because of their spirit (which goes beyond genitalia) but only because of their sex (a person's genitalia). Disagreement with homosexuality has to do with same-sex acts not the union of spirits or souls in your religion.

It's your religion. It seems you're disagreeing with your faith and your peers.

My point is

1. How I asking you to compromising your faith because I am telling you my beliefs?

2. Do you even care about other people?

Maybe other Bahai do to the extent they ask me questions. You don't have that same interest. You don't tell me "I don't care about what you say"

and I don't even know if you read what I say anymore because I honestly do not think you care.

You have to care about other people if you want to have peace.
Bahaullah taught it, why not you?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I've dobbed you in..... when @lewisnotmiller sees that he will probably rant and rave. Australians don't see, buy or ever drink Fosters. They despise....... Fosters!

I struggle to even say the word. If you want a seriously good Aussie beer, try one of these...

Spoiler

 

[Dawnofhope]

The conservative, fundy church had a lot of people that were sexually repressed. And the ones that were fooling around tried to keep it secret. So in the church, there is no good way of dealing with sex, especially with per-marital sex, because of the guilt most young Christians feel when they do it.

So the Christian fundamentalist churches didn't deal well with sex because of the suppression. The Christian youth were having a lot of sex and experiencing a lot of guilt. What in your opinion is a better approach?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You have to care about other people if you want to have peace.
Bahaullah taught it, why not you?

Ha ha you can say it over and over. I will not respond but to tell you that.



Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

You can see from the replies of the Universal House of Justice that they are replying to gay Baha'is so of course there would be plenty of gay Baha'is.

The problem is within what the Guardian said, and how the view contradicts science. Frankly, I have no idea how a gay person could live with themselves within such a definition. But if they do, they do.

 

[Vinayaka]

How do you do with Shoghi Effendi and Baha'u'llah's writings? Both of them lose me.

Yes, me too so I don't, much.

 

[Vinayaka]

Right now the same sex marriage movement is promoting its agenda all over the world

Since when is wanting equal rights an agenda? Do you think the Baha'i's of Iran are promoting their agenda?

 

[Vinayaka]

As Vinayaka said he probably wouldn't want to meet some people here and I'm likely one of them but I would consider it a pleasure having a coffee or a vegetarian meal with you both.

lol, no, you're not one of them. I'd gladly meet you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ha ha you can say it over and over. I will not respond but to tell you that.



Regards Tony

Ha. Thats like spiting me in the face, tony. You dont know my tone of voice. I dont like assumptions but i guess you dont. I dont understand it. If I asked bahaullah even your peers they wouldnt say something like this.

Thats silly

Greater peace starts with you. All the attributes you talk about. They are in you too. I hope.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The problem is within what the Guardian said, and how the view contradicts science. Frankly, I have no idea how a gay person could live with themselves within such a definition. But if they do, they do.

It's a challenge but so is living up to other Baha'i laws. But Baha'is do it out of love. Anyone can leave anytime but many choose to stay because of their love for Baha'u'llah.

 

[loverofhumanity]

lol, no, you're not one of them. I'd gladly meet you.

Then it's vegetarian!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Since when is wanting equal rights an agenda? Do you think the Baha'i's of Iran are promoting their agenda?

Every so often Baha'is slip up and reveal they're just like the other Abrahamic monotheists they claim they're here to supplant.