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Homosexuality and the Bible...

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by desi, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    If you can quote the Bible at me, can I quote fictional books at you? We're bound to have the exact same effect on each other.
     
  2. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Please cite where Jesus denounced homosexuality.
     
  3. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you can post financial books at me but since the thread is "Homosexuality and the Bible..." I figured quoting the scriptures was appropriate.:)
     
  4. anders

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    isn't unambiguos. For example, several posters pretend that the Sodom story has something to do with homosexuality. If you read the Hebrew Bible, it is perfectly clear that there is no mentioning of homosexual activities being carried out or even desired in Sodom, so that can be no reason for the (alleged) destruction of the city.

    Regarding the possibility of a Leviticus ban on male homosexuality, I haven't investigated the text yet, but I have seen an interpretation like "two men shouldn't lie together on a woman's bed". That would mean that men aren't to keep the woman from using her own bed. Quite sensible. Similar discussions go on regarding every Bible passage quoted as condemning male homosexuality. Out of those that I have bothered to investigate, I find nothing that can be used against gay people. Any way you interpret those verses, there is nothing that says that homosexuality is any worse than eating shrimp http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ or wearing polyester-cotton blend shirts (Deut. 22:11). And remember, women wearing trousers are committing an abomination (Deut. 22:5).
     
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  5. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Prophets like John the Baptist ate locust abdomens which in my research I've found that it's said that it tastes like shrimp. hmmm.....:rolleyes:
     
  6. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Heh. I must qualify as super evil, then. Not only am I a lesbian, I have no intention of ever having children, either through artificial insemniation or adoption.
     
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    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Again, another mis-representation.

    Jesus never spoke a word about homosexuality and in fact he both supports and denies the Mosaic laws so the scripture is hardly consistent with his message
     
  8. Doodlebug02

    Doodlebug02 Active Member

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    Personally, I don't feel that homosexuality is a sin. When considering verses in the Bible, one should seriously consider the historical context. Some condemnations of homosexuality may actually be a prohibition against temple prostitution as an example. Others may be a condemnation of certain attitudes or of rape as an example. There are two commandments in the Bible that are considered to be of great importance:

    (NIV) Luke 10:27 He answered: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
     
  9. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Leviticus 18:22

    (KJV) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.


    Jude 7

    (KJV) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
     
  10. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 19:1-6

    (ASV) 1 And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, he departed from Galilee, and came into the borders of Judaea beyond the Jordan; 2 and great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there. 3 And there came unto him Pharisees, trying him, and saying, Is it lawful [for a man] to put away his wife for every cause? 4 And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    God made them "male and female". God created us for procreation. Jesus, the son of God is answering a question about the Mosaic Law dealing with laws surrounding wives.

    The lack of verses dealing with anyone being a homosexual as a telltale sign that homosexuality is not a sin doesn't suggest anything of the kind. It might suggest that there weren't any.

    This debate with homosexuality will probably go on till the Armageddon because it looks like people are trying to bring the scriptures up to societies current acceptance level for "Gay" couples.



    [size=-1]Galatians 6:4, 5

    [/size](ASV) 4 [size=-1]But let each man prove his own work, and then shall he have his glorying in regard of himself alone, and not of his neighbor. [size=-1]5 For each man shall bear his own burden.[/size][/size]
     
  11. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Yeah, homosexuality is an abomination, but the next verse says:

    Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

    Makes perfect sense to me...2 humans of the same sex will burn in hell, but if you're banging your camel then it's just confusing.:bonk:

    We should all live quite strictly by such sensible laws.
     
  12. Mercy Not Sacrifice

    Mercy Not Sacrifice Well-Known Member

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    Word for word? If so, should we start plucking our eyes out and cutting off our hands when we struggle with temptation?
     
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    Mercy Not Sacrifice Well-Known Member

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    DESI! You wouldn't happen to be the guy on ChristianForums by the same name, would you?
     
  14. dan

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    Christ never denied the Mosiac Law, He only fulfilled what needed to be fulfilled. What is not addressed in the New Testament by Christ or His Apostles is still relevant. Paul spoke of homosexuality as a horrible sin, so he only reaffirs the osiac Law's stance.
     
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    In fact he did, he denied the food laws..outright denied they were valid.

    he was right of course but it doesn`t change the fact that he denied a part of the mosaic laws after he said "Not one Jot or Tittle.."
     
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    I must have forgotten this.... where in the Bible is this?
     
  17. dan

    dan Well-Known Member

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    Not so. What He denied was the Jew's proclivity toward inventing and embelishing upon existing laws. The Mosiac law of uncleanliness was only preparatory, and Christ spoke of it as having worn out its welcome, so to speak. The Jew's perversion of it is what He attacked.
     
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    The OT states that certain things are not to be eaten.
    Jesus said you could eat anything ..it was not what went into a mans mouth that mattered but what came out of it.
     
  19. dan

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    Yes, He fulfilled that law and pronounced the new law, but while Israel was under the preparatory law it had to abide by that law, even though it didn't really protect them from anything other than ceremonial uncleanliness. He let the people know that the law was for a purpose, and that purpose was acheived, and henceforth it would be as He said. He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, and He would name the statutes that would be fulfilled. He never said, "Oh, and you can be gay now," so that law was never done away with. That has always and will always be a moral principle. You have to learn to distinguish between transgressions of ceremony and moral sin. Murder will always be a moral sin, but not washing your fingers before you eat is not a moral sin, it's a transgression. Adam's eating of the fruit in the garden of Eden was not a sin, it was a transgression. Eating certain foods is not a sin, but a transgression. Learn the difference between the two on a scriptural level and then try to pawn off your theories as truth.
     
  20. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    I don't think I need anyone's permission to be myself, crazy liberal that I am.

    Jesus seemed kind of liberal, too. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, though.
     
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