Homosexuality and Religion

[Autodidact]

Well, whatever you say. That's not the issue. Answer my question. Do people that live a life of celibacy not have a fulfilling life? From your post it seems that is what you are saying.

I am not celibate, so can't say for sure. I think that for most people, the most important thing in their life is their intimate loving relationship with a single other person, and to live without that would be less fulfilling than to live with it. As human beings, our love/sex drive is very strong and can be a healthy and beneficial thing, so I think it could be very limiting to cut oneself off from that.

Which is why I imagine that you have not chosen to do so; am I right?

I have heard of some people who have chosen a life of spiritual dedication over a life of personal intimacy, and without knowing more about it, would not want to judge that is not fulfilling for them. I don't know any personally. It's hard to imagine, though, don't you think?

For me it's not so much sex as a true dedicated intimate loving relationship that included physical passion. For me, that's the most fulfilling. I wouldn't want to speak for others, though. I do think my approach is the more common one.

 

[rheff78]

I am not celibate, so can't say for sure. I think that for most people, the most important thing in their life is their intimate loving relationship with a single other person, and to live without that would be less fulfilling than to live with it. As human beings, our love/sex drive is very strong and can be a healthy and beneficial thing, so I think it could be very limiting to cut oneself off from that.

Which is why I imagine that you have not chosen to do so; am I right?

I have heard of some people who have chosen a life of spiritual dedication over a life of personal intimacy, and without knowing more about it, would not want to judge that is not fulfilling for them. I don't know any personally. It's hard to imagine, though, don't you think?

For me it's not so much sex as a true dedicated intimate loving relationship that included physical passion. For me, that's the most fulfilling. I wouldn't want to speak for others, though. I do think my approach is the more common one.

Well, this is one of those things we are just not going to agree on. IMHO, I don't think having a celibate life means it's a less fulfilling life. After all, if you haven't had sex, how could you know what you are missing?

 

[Autodidact]

So, as I have now asked I believe 3 times (and think it's rude to ignore people's direct questions like that), are you celibate?

 

[DallasApple]

After all, if you haven't had sex, how could you know what you are missing?

Because as Paul said its better to marry than burn with desire..You dont have to actually have sex to know you crave it and want it..

Blessings

Dallas

(and you called me naive...)

 

[Alceste]

Because as Paul said its better to marry than burn with desire..You dont have to not ever have sex to know you crave it..

Blessings

Dallas

(and you called me naive...)

That's for sure. I knew a very sad man once who was in his 30s and had never been loved. He was a complete wreck. Eventually he shot himself in the head, but thankfully failed to die. Unfortunately, failing at suicide brought his self-esteem even lower than failing at sex.

It's easy for people who have had a taste of physical intimacy, or at least the opportunity to taste it, to say they could take it or leave it.

 

[DallasApple]

That's for sure. I knew a very sad man once who was in his 30s and had never been loved. He was a complete wreck. Eventually he shot himself in the head, but thankfully failed to die. Unfortunately, failing at suicide brought his self-esteem even lower than failing at sex.

It's easy for people who have had a taste of physical intimacy, or at least the opportunity to taste it, to say they could take it or leave it.

Yeah right..And if only those that have had sex know what they are missing ??No one would have sex for the first time..We have sex because our bodies(or most of us) crave it ..Whether we know exactly what its going to be like or not..and in fact there are some that crave it..and then have it?...subsequently are more likely to say they can take it or leave it than someone who has never experienced it..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

That's for sure. I knew a very sad man once who was in his 30s and had never been loved. He was a complete wreck. Eventually he shot himself in the head, but thankfully failed to die. Unfortunately, failing at suicide brought his self-esteem even lower than failing at sex.

It's easy for people who have had a taste of physical intimacy, or at least the opportunity to taste it, to say they could take it or leave it.

Im sorry for your friend too...I hope he finds someone to love and love him back..In all the ways..

Love

Dallas

 

[Alceste]

Im sorry for your friend too...I hope he finds someone to love and love him back..In all the ways..

Love

Dallas

I hope so too, poor thing.

 

[Romulus]

I think people are getting carried away with heat of this argument here. What I heard rheff saying is that the Catholic church makes a distinction between the person and the act. rheff is absolutely right; that is the standard position of the Catholic church. Love the sinner; hate the sin. Whether one agrees with it or not (and I don't); he's not wrong about the position of his church.

I know someone already thanked you, but I've got to repeat it. *attempts to give frubals, although he's still learning*

 

[rheff78]

So, as I have now asked I believe 3 times (and think it's rude to ignore people's direct questions like that), are you celibate?

No, I'm not. I have a child and one on the way. So, what I'm hearing is that people here think not having sex means a person is un-happy? Yes, I think that's naive Dallas.

 

[DallasApple]

No, I'm not. I have a child and one on the way. So, what I'm hearing is that people here think not having sex means a person is un-happy? Yes, I think that's naive Dallas.

I never said a person not having sex is unhappy..where did I say that?

YOU said how can they miss something that they never experienced..(which is extremely naive Rheff)..

I said whether they have experienced it or not..MOST have desires towards it..Paul must be naive as well..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

No, I'm not. I have a child and one on the way. So, what I'm hearing is that people here think not having sex means a person is un-happy? Yes, I think that's naive Dallas.

And please stop putting words in my mouth.You just skip along being "happy" that you are having sex..Which Im assumign you are..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I will say...the MAJORITY would be frustrated if they were prohibited from ever having sex..Since its our NATURAL inclination to do so..And that frustration would not only happen had we already had a "taste".Why do you think young boys (and sometimes girls) masturbate?..

Im the naive one..??? right..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

1 Corinthians 7

Principles of Marriage

1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


This is all about passion and desire that most can not control...Whether they be man woman..virgin or widow...Paul new this..he was not "naive" in this repect..He knew people would be miserbale and distracted..and do it anyway..So he gave intructions..Argue with Paul Rheff.

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Autodidact]

No, I'm not. I have a child and one on the way. So, what I'm hearing is that people here think not having sex means a person is un-happy? Yes, I think that's naive Dallas.

and I'm guessing that you're married? And that you find that way of life more fulfilling for you than a single, celibate life?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If the church accepts homosexuality or any other sins only then have they lost the battle.
Don't expect the catholic church to fold because they are outnumbered.
If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.

Would it be out of line to expect the Catholic Church to accept people whose faith they consider weak, without passing judgement on disputable matters?

 

[DallasApple]

Quote:
Originally Posted by waikru
If the church accepts homosexuality or any other sins only then have they lost the battle.
Don't expect the catholic church to fold because they are outnumbered.
If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.

Sorry hun...you are WAY out numbered.. dont care what your church says?..You need to take a look at how many of your church people are on their 2nd or 3rd marriages..You are out numbered by something besides homosexuality sir..GOD HATES DIVORCE! (and porn )

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Romulus]

Sorry hun...you are WAY out numbered.. dont care what your church says?..You need to take a look at how many of your church people are on their 2nd or 3rd marriages..You are out numbered by something besides homosexuality sir..GOD HATES DIVORCE! (and porn )

Blessings

Dallas

His church does accept homosexuality, even if he's not willing to admit it.

 

[triplej]

I know that Jesus loves everyone, but is not homosexuality against the Bible?

Yes, homosexuality is against the Bible. God created man and a woman for each other. Homosexuality is a choice, just like living God is a choice.

 

[Magic Man]

Well, thankfully he has already made the correct choice. He has decided to be himself, which in this case includes being homosexual.