Homosexuality and Religion

[lilithu]

If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.

If that were the case, of course not. But the 1 man should get his glasses checked because he's calling a tiger a mouse and refusing to listen to the 99.

As I said in some other thread, moral certainty/conviction is a virtue, but only if you're right.

 

[rheff78]

Again, the Church does not say that homosexuals are sinning. It's the practicing homosexual that is sinning. Correct me if I'm wrong Scott1, but I believe that to be the case.

 

[fantome profane]

Sounds like something Jesus would say

Jesus, Shakespeare, the both had a way with words.

 

[Magic Man]

If the church accepts homosexuality or any other sins only then have they lost the battle.
Don't expect the catholic church to fold because they are outnumbered.
If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.

I don't expect them to fold because they're outnumbered. I expect them to wise up, because they are wrong and causing a lot of harm. I expect them to listen to reason, if that's not asking too much.

Your analogy falls flat. That one man should call it a tiger, if he wants to be understood by everyone else. There it doesn't matter what he calls it, as long as he calls it something that others will understand. This is a matter of hurting people because of an antiquated and ignorant opinion, even though the action that is denounced hurts no one except possibly the doers of the action.

 

[Magic Man]

Again, the Church does not say that homosexuals are sinning. It's the practicing homosexual that is sinning. Correct me if I'm wrong Scott1, but I believe that to be the case.

What's the difference?

 

[kai]

I know that Jesus loves everyone, but is not homosexuality against the Bible?

dont you mean the bible is against homosexuality?

 

[Autodidact]

If the church accepts homosexuality or any other sins only then have they lost the battle.
Don't expect the catholic church to fold because they are outnumbered.
If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.

What if it really is a tiger? Why would you call lesbianism a sin when God doesn't?

 

[Autodidact]

Again, the Church does not say that homosexuals are sinning. It's the practicing homosexual that is sinning. Correct me if I'm wrong Scott1, but I believe that to be the case.

You're wrong. Whatever the Church may say, the Bible does not say that lesbianism is a sin. Why is the Church and you so unconcerned with the facts?

 

[Autodidact]

What's the difference?

The difference is between living a life of celibacy and one of fulfillment. Oh, or hiding and lying, like Ted Haggard and all those pedophile priests.

 

[rheff78]

You're wrong. Whatever the Church may say, the Bible does not say that lesbianism is a sin. Why is the Church and you so unconcerned with the facts?

I'M WRONG? how can you tell me that my church beliefs are wrong?

 

[DallasApple]

I'M WRONG? how can you tell me that my church beliefs are wrong?

The same way you can tell her that her beliefs are wrong because your church says so.

Blessings

Dallas

 

[rheff78]

The difference is between living a life of celibacy and one of fulfillment. Oh, or hiding and lying, like Ted Haggard and all those pedophile priests.

ahhh, so only people that have sex live a life of fulfillment? I see now. There are no celibate people that taek joy in life. Pretty terrible point of view IMO.

 

[lilithu]

Again, the Church does not say that homosexuals are sinning. It's the practicing homosexual that is sinning.

You're wrong. Whatever the Church may say, the Bible does not say that lesbianism is a sin. Why is the Church and you so unconcerned with the facts?

I'M WRONG? how can you tell me that my church beliefs are wrong?

The same way you can tell her that her beliefs are wrong because your church says so.

I think people are getting carried away with heat of this argument here. What I heard rheff saying is that the Catholic church makes a distinction between the person and the act. rheff is absolutely right; that is the standard position of the Catholic church. Love the sinner; hate the sin. Whether one agrees with it or not (and I don't); he's not wrong about the position of his church.

 

[rheff78]

The same way you can tell her that her beliefs are wrong because your church says so.

Blessings

Dallas

In order to debate my church's beliefs, I think we should have some common ground, or a BASIC understanding of christianity, which she obviously doesn't have.

 

[rheff78]

I think people are getting carried away with heat of this argument here. What I heard rheff saying is that the Catholic church makes a distinction between the person and the act. rheff is absolutely right; that is the standard position of the Catholic church. Love the sinner; hate the sin. Whether one agrees with it or not (and I don't); he's not wrong about the position of his church.

Thank you. That's exaclty waht I wa trying to say. Frubals.

 

[Autodidact]

I'M WRONG? how can you tell me that my church beliefs are wrong?

Like this: "You're wrong."

btw, it was a bit of a joke too, since in your post you said, "Correct me if I'm wrong..." So I accepted your invitation.

My point...well, you know my point, in fact you're sick to death of it.

 

[Autodidact]

ahhh, so only people that have sex live a life of fulfillment? I see now. There are no celibate people that taek joy in life. Pretty terrible point of view IMO.

Let me guess, rheff, have you chosen a life of celibacy? Or do you find living in a loving, intimate relationship more fulfilling?

 

[Autodidact]

In order to debate my church's beliefs, I think we should have some common ground, or a BASIC understanding of christianity, which she obviously doesn't have.

Oh, you're mistaken. I have a very good understanding of Christianity, probably better than most Christians. I also have a better understanding of Judaism and other world religions than the average Christian. I just happen to disagree with you.

 

[rheff78]

Well, whatever you say. That's not the issue. Answer my question. Do people that live a life of celibacy not have a fulfilling life? From your post it seems that is what you are saying.

 

[Bishadi]

I think people are getting carried away with heat of this argument here. What I heard rheff saying is that the Catholic church makes a distinction between the person and the act. rheff is absolutely right; that is the standard position of the Catholic church. Love the sinner; hate the sin.

seems correct but still what will put out the fire?

Selfishness/compassionate; within a body experiencing choice. appears to be a war