I haven't a clue. What you think about the Bible is wholly irrelevant to me. Furthermore, as a naturalist, my ethics are in no way based on Scripture. Finally, I fully and vigorously support same-sex marriage.YmirGF said:
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Homosexual Marriages (Again)
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Ceridwen018
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If I'm remembering correctly, God doesn't actually say a whole lot in the Bible. He is quoted a few times, and lots of people presume to speak for him, but I can't recall any instance in which God, personally, states that homosexuality is wrong. Just a thought...
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Your first point is in fact not true. Many people are born neither male nor female by the traditional sense of the terms. As well, from a genetic perspective, some people are not clearly male or female.mormonman said:
And I'm not talking about transgenderism. Look at a few sites about intersex. As far as genetics and human gender, look at some sites about mosaicism, xy gender females, xx gender males and much more. Our understanding about human nature and sexuality is still not complete enough to assert that a Creator makes us male or female and that is it.
standing_on_one_foot
Well-Known Member
In the OT, anyway, G-d seems to be awfully quiet about female homosexuality...so perhaps lesbian marriage is fine? And if we're talking NT, G-d also seems to change His mind about various rules (keeping kosher being a good example)...does that make G-d a hypocrite?
You think about it, having gay marriage means that at least homosexuals (well, those who marry) wouldn't be having sex outside of marriage. You practically halve your sins that way! (I realize this is a dumb arguement. 'Tis a joke. Sort of.)
Now, there's only a few mentions about homosexuality throughout the Bible, but I do recall Jesus being pretty clear about his feelings on divorce (funny how not as many people are up in arms about allowing divorce in this country). Which makes you wonder...if we allowed gay marriage (which would, supposedly, be sinful), would gay divorce be really, REALLY bad?
You think about it, having gay marriage means that at least homosexuals (well, those who marry) wouldn't be having sex outside of marriage. You practically halve your sins that way! (I realize this is a dumb arguement. 'Tis a joke. Sort of.)
Now, there's only a few mentions about homosexuality throughout the Bible, but I do recall Jesus being pretty clear about his feelings on divorce (funny how not as many people are up in arms about allowing divorce in this country). Which makes you wonder...if we allowed gay marriage (which would, supposedly, be sinful), would gay divorce be really, REALLY bad?
pdoel
Active Member
This is the point that just makes me laugh so much. People are so up in arms about the thought of gay marriage, and will quote every Bible verse they can find to say why it's wrong.standing_on_one_foot said:
Yet, these same people say NOTHING about divorce. And MANY of them have HAD divorces. A bit of "Do as I say, not as I do", huh? Makes me sick the type of hypocrits that are most outspoken on the matter.
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longbowshooter
New Member
A secular reason would be Social Security benefits. Once we allow two consenting adults to join in a Civil Union we open the system to parents and children. A 20 minute operation could take care of the birth defect through incest issue. Once co-joined the child would be quallified for lifelong benefits. Once one child could gain benefits, it would be discrimination to not allow all children to access the same. The system would bankrupt in a year.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
So, you're going under the assumption that civil marriage for same sex couples will lead to parents and children having sex? You must really think low of the love that two adults, who just happen to of the same sex, can have for each other in that is your conclusion.longbowshooter said:
pdoel
Active Member
So co-joined twins are the only issue with incestual offspring? What about retardation or other birth defects?longbowshooter said:
Unfortunately, I don't see any relevance to your reasoning.
As it is now, people with disabilities qualify for government aid, welfare, social security. So I don't see that changing as a result of a civil union. Also, a civil union or a gay marriage would not be for a mother and her child. Or a father and his child. Or even two siblings. The same rules would apply as do now for an opposite sex marriage.
Longbowshooter, you assert:
But you fail to demonstrate how legalized incest would necessarily follow from civil unions for homosexuals. On the contrary, there doesn't seem to be any reason why society would have to legalize incest if it legalized homosexual unions, or even homosexual marriage.longbowshooter said:
That is homophobic nonsense.longbowshooter said:
jeffrey
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Through the last few months, through knowledge and understanding, I've had a change of heart form my past stance. Let gays marry. Straight men wrote the Bible, from what they thought God said to them. God created all, and everyone of God's creatures have a right to happiness. It took awhile for my wife to get it through my thick, Christian raised head.. But she did. 
Not me. I don't think that bigoted Scripture has anything whatsoever to do with God(s).Binyamin said:
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
The case could be made for that if you are Jewish or Christian, but since I am neither I am not interested your interpretation of your religion's scripture. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt... and still haven't changed my mind or my sexuality. Thanks.Binyamin said: