IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I suspect you have some sort of opinion, but for whatever reason, simply choose not to share. Be well.I don't have one.
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I suspect you have some sort of opinion, but for whatever reason, simply choose not to share. Be well.I don't have one.
What am I supposed to have an opinion on, which story is correct?I suspect you have some sort of opinion, but for whatever reason, simply choose not to share. Be well.
If you think the two stories contradict, that would be an example of an opinion.What am I supposed to have an opinion on, which story is correct?
No, that would be an example of a contradiction.If you think the two stories contradict, that would be an example of an opinion.
There's really only one story, Mark's. The question is how to interpret ἐκβάλλειν ekballein from ἐκβάλλω ekballō which is the verb in all four versions and generally translated as 'drove out'. Its meaning is throw out, throw away, cast out, cast away, expel, banish, reject ...What am I supposed to have an opinion on, which story is correct?
I get all that ,however Luke omits the violence, the overturning of the tables and seats and returns everyday to teach.There's really only one story, Mark's. The question is how to interpret ἐκβάλλειν ekballein from ἐκβάλλω ekballō which is the verb in all four versions and generally translated as 'drove out'. Its meaning is throw out, throw away, cast out, cast away, expel, banish, reject ...
How does one man expel a body of traders and their clients? Is going ape sufficient, or is a weapon ─ whip, baton, &c ─ implied?
Yes, that's in Marks gospel.OK. So you did not know, that's ok.
I've never asked the question and just got the straight answer..... never. Honest.
Jesus and the disciples went sightseeing (in today's vernacular). True!
Mark is the first gospel written, so Mark's is the original version ─ that is, we know no earlier version of the story. The author of Luke, a decade later, is using the gospel of Mark as his template, so, in close to the same words, is synoptically telling Mark's story. Same for the author of Matthew. The author of John is also using Mark as his frame, generally much more loosely, but here has borrowed Mark's tale and expanded it to his taste.I get all that ,however Luke omits the violence, the overturning of the tables and seats and returns everyday to teach.
Yes, all perhaps true, however, Matthew and Luke sometimes omit lines, or change or add lines when relying on Mark, to suite their own separate agendas. They 'correct' and tweak Marks story the way they see fit. When reading a developing theology and mythology or a blend thereof, there is no correct version. To begin with Mark is first but he's writing fiction, that much is obvious, so I don't have an opinion as to which is the correct version of a given fiction.Mark is the first gospel written, so Mark's is the original version ─ that is, we know no earlier version of the story. The author of Luke, a decade later, is using the gospel of Mark as his template, so, in close to the same words, is synoptically telling Mark's story. Same for the author of Matthew. The author of John is also using Mark as his frame, generally much more loosely, but here has borrowed Mark's tale and expanded it to his taste.
Bingo!This is one of the reasons that some think Jesus was not his day's equivalent of an Orthodox Jew. If he was, he wouldn't have gone sightseeing in Jerusalem when he was in his 30s - he should have already been familiar with the city by that time, even if he was from the Galilee, having made pilgrimage to the city at least once a year, if not more (it was difficult making pilgrimage 3 times + Yom Kippur every year). As he appears to be unfamiliar with the city, it seems as though this was one of his very first times there.
The other gospel authors did collect very useful bits of info, but they were never there, didn't see it themselves......... I expect that Mark did witness some of the incidents, although I reckon that much of his gospel was based upon the memoirs of Cephas.Yes, that's in Marks gospel.
Your machine is built. You say you know what reactions it should cause. And it doesn't.Bingo!
So Galilean (and Northern) peasants didn't get to the Temple quite as often as assumed by many historians.
I've often wondered whether Saul's travels to the North were about ensuring Temple donations were made, that kind of thing.
I've often asked Christians that question, and I don't think that many have noticed that half verse in Mark....too busy bathing in the raptures of G-John, maybe?
He was there before. Never heard about how parents lost the Jesus boy?This is one of the reasons that some think Jesus was not his day's equivalent of an Orthodox Jew. If he was, he wouldn't have gone sightseeing in Jerusalem when he was in his 30s - he should have already been familiar with the city by that time, even if he was from the Galilee, having made pilgrimage to the city at least once a year, if not more (it was difficult making pilgrimage 3 times + Yom Kippur every year). As he appears to be unfamiliar with the city, it seems as though this was one of his very first times there.
A whip is used to scare (not necessarily to hit). It makes a loud noise.How does one man expel a body of traders and their clients? Is going ape sufficient, or is a weapon ─ whip, baton, &c ─ implied?
I did write "one of his first times."He was there before. Never heard about how parents lost the Jesus boy?
One of his first times with apostles (during his public mission).I did write "one of his first times."
Have another explanation for the sightseeing?
And? I mean, how does that explain the sightseeing?One of his first times with apostles (during his public mission).
Luke does NOT omit the violence. It says he "drove them out." That's not asking them politely.I get all that ,however Luke omits the violence, the overturning of the tables and seats and returns everyday to teach.