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He's Gay!?! Ex-wife Says Omar Mateen was Gay
- Thread starter ShivaFan
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So you gave yourself the authority to decide against all evidence that he is no Muslim?
Really...
Draka
Wonder Woman
HE claimed to follow Islam. HE went to mosque and prayers. HE claimed association with the Islamic State. Islam had plenty to do with it. You can't just wash your religion's hands of this. Look, without something telling him it was wrong to be any other sexual orientation other than heterosexual there would be no reason for him to develop a hate of other orientations. Including his own. You don't wake up and think, hey, I don't like having brown eyes, brown eyes are wrong, brown eyes are sick and anyone with brown eyes is evil and should die and then go on a killing rampage. Something has to influence you into believing such strange things. Islam did that for this man. It may not be what you get out of Islam, it may not be what every Muslim gets out of it, but then, not every Muslim is gay. There are some though and you can just bet that they feel conflicted through and through. This man obviously did and yes, Islam had a part in that.
By saying this, you suggest a severe lack of basic understanding of the relationship between homosexuality and religious rejection of same.
Homosexuals raised in homophobic families, particularly those motivated by religious conviction, very often end up trapped in deep denial and anguish, exactly because they are repressed so fiercely. They can't avoid who they are, and they can't give up on the acceptance of family and the (only?) religion they know, so they become very troubled indeed, not rarely developing dangerous forms of self-hatred.
That is true, and you are not the first to complain about that.
But why is that relevant in this situation? There may well be a good reason, but it eluded me this far.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Presumably.
Maybe he couldn't reconcile his gay life with his religious life.
There is another answer of course...the guy was clearly unstable overall. There are plenty of gay people who are made to feel badly about themselves by religion...not all of them fly off the handle and start shooting people.
In some states gay marriage is allowed, not it others. But make no mistake there is PLENTY of anti-gay sentiment here. Only about half of religious Americans support gay marriage.
This is why I'm not trying to blame Islam...Christianity is every bit as bad when it comes to demeaning gay people.
Yes, but an educated guess based on many other stories. Sadly, the pressure and disapproval religion and family put on gay people often makes them do bad things, to themselves or to others.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...use-his-family-couldnt-accept-that-he-was-gay
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Actually Islam isn't much concern about homosexuals, no verses in the quran about homosexuals except for the tribe of Lot.
their men were looking after boys to have sex with and God let them to went extinct, nothing about gays in the quran except
the story of Lot which was kind of a history.
So let's assume this man was indeed a homosexual. I wonder if he hated Islam's stance on homosexuality so much that he faked the ISIS affiliation to make it look like they were behind it, and then carry out the horrific act of killing what represented what he hated being (homosexuals).
Using that theory, one could argue that Islamic doctrine was responsible for his dual personality, as it were, and sets the perfect stage for a mass murder--all in the name of who we all fear... ISIS. It accomplished exactly what he would have wanted, which is the attention drawn back to Islamic radicalization, and not the on him directly as an individual sociopath.
He was also on a suicide mission; he knew he would not live through the massacre. Why else would he call 911 himself? Again, he can't commit suicide, it's indoctrinated. Let the police shoot him instead.
It's truly the only connection I can make that has any sense to it.
Using that theory, one could argue that Islamic doctrine was responsible for his dual personality, as it were, and sets the perfect stage for a mass murder--all in the name of who we all fear... ISIS. It accomplished exactly what he would have wanted, which is the attention drawn back to Islamic radicalization, and not the on him directly as an individual sociopath.
He was also on a suicide mission; he knew he would not live through the massacre. Why else would he call 911 himself? Again, he can't commit suicide, it's indoctrinated. Let the police shoot him instead.
It's truly the only connection I can make that has any sense to it.
That's completely wrong. There's homophobes of all religions (and non-religions) and cultures and there was homophobia before the Abrahamic religions existed.
Because being in a heterosexual marriage with a woman while apparently trying to hook up with guys doesn't mean you're automatically gay. Sexual orientation isn't a strict binary. It's just worth throwing out there, as a reminder. Bisexual erasure is a thing.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
He's Gay!
how insulting is that for gays, he was a jerk full of hate, if there is such thing as a hell he will be there.
how insulting is that for gays, he was a jerk full of hate, if there is such thing as a hell he will be there.
As opposed to bisexual, you mean? Sure, you are definitely right there. And it might easily be a significant clarification to make while trying to retrace his traits, conflicts and actions.
I wonder if Omar Matten understood that. Given his behavior, I wonder if he even acknowledged the existence of bisexuality. It feels far more likely that he perceived it a demonic influence or something similarly preposterous.
Also, the distinction between bisexuality and homosexuality isn't always made, nor is it always and necessarily unfair that it is not. It will depend on, among other things, how much time and attention is being given for us to be understood. Unfortunately. that is very much a significant factor here.
Quite right.
It sure is. Still, is it even time to bring it up, given how grossly misrepresented the situation is?
It seems to me that the people who most need to be reminded that Matten might be a bisexual are simply not ready to accept that homosexuality is not a behavioral disease, let alone that bisexuality should be accepted with serenity and as not entirely the same as homosexuality.
I suppose we have to decide whether it is worth the risk of it becoming a distraction in what is already a heated discussion on the relative contributions of sexuality, gun control and religious repression and fanaticism on the tragedy.
It is only insulting because people are so quick to blame and despite homosexuality.
Objectively, the odds that he was either homosexual or bisexual are very high indeed. Of course, no position in the LGBT spectrum is characterized by a willingness to become a mass murderer seeking suicide-by-cop.
Its all over the news. And now his wife may be arrested for assisting him in his plotting, casing possible targets (two different LGBT night clubs and Disney World) and such. If so she could be facing over 100 criminal charges, possibly treason.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Which news says that he turned to the islamic fundamentalism and what are the evidences?
