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Excuse me, but I have to interfere for a moment.So Jesus is a messenger of Allah, according to Muslims? This is odd considering that Jesus was Jewish and all the prophesies written about his lineage and his mission in the Hebrew scriptures, were fulfilled in his birth, his life and his death. He claimed to be "the son of God" and yet Muslims deny this...is that correct?
Where does Mohammad fit into this picture? According to our scripture, Jesus is the last prophet that God sent. There was no need for any others.
Some say the kingdom will be here on this earth
even though scripture reports
The Kingdom is NOT of this world
It is within you
and the Carpenter is alleged to have ascended into heaven
So.....which is it?
and where do you think you are going?
What do you know about the sons of Ishmael? They are also descendants of Abraham
Did not God say to Hajar that it is a great nation
In Jewish belief do you think Muslims will go to heaven
Mohammadiyim
Yes, Ishmael and his children were made to a great people by God and they were blessed. But by the seed Abraham I mean the children of Jacob, the 12 tribes of Israel. And only the chosen children of the 12 tribes of Israel will enter heaven, for so it is written.
SISTER
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7: 40 Those who reject Our revelations and are too arrogant to uphold them—the doors of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise, until the camel passes through the eye of the needle. Thus We repay the guilty.
CLEARLY MUSLIMS WILL ENTER HEAVEN
and who was Cain afraid of?
and who was Cain's wife?
and Cain built a city and named it for his son
who live there?
yes it does...…The Bible account in Genesis is an outline that leaves out a lot of detail.
LOL...... I just love it when people tell me what I believe. Oh dear.....let me straighten this out for you....Excuse me, but I have to interfere for a moment.
You Jehovah's Witnesses also don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God. You do not see the term "Son of God" literally but only as a title, so for you every angel and every man is a son of God.
But Christians believe that Jesus is literally the Son of God. For like the Son of man is man, so also the Son of God is God.
That is why your faith does not differ from that of Muslims.
Muslims have no problem at all using the term "Son of God" as a title, like the Jehovah's Witnesses do it. They only have a problem if one sees Jesus as the literal Son of God, which means to be the same being as God.
They are entirely backed up by scripture. Are you telling me that the first paradise mentioned in the Bible was not on earth? That the thief hung alongside Jesus is somehow a ruler in heaven?This is not the only thing where you are wrong, also your statements about paradise are complete nonsense.
I ask you to put the Watchtower book and the Nwt aside and start reading the Bible.
yes it does...…
but I don't look to Watch Tower as rebuttal
(seen their pamphlets …..no thank you)
the scripture holds sufficient
in spite of omissions
Man as a species....Day Six
Day Seven.....rest.....and nothing more will be created
THEN Chapter Two
an isolated event
chosen specimen
anesthesia
surgery
cloning
test
release into the environment
SCIENCE !
Friend, I never mentioned anything about Muslims not entering heaven. I asked whether you understand the Bible’s reference to “paradise” as necessarily referring to heaven, when the first paradise mentioned in scripture was on earth.
When Jesus told the thief who was hung alongside him that he would be “with him in paradise”, (Luke 23:43) was he telling this criminal that he would go to heaven? I think not....I believe that Jesus was promising him a place in the earthly paradise when he resurrects all the dead. (John 5:28-29) He will call all the dead from their graves....’righteous and unrighteousness’.
According to the prophet Isaiah, God always finishes what he starts. (Isaiah 55:11) I don’t believe that God ever intended humans to go to heaven. The fact that he did, was only in response to Adam’s sin....taking us back to our intended beginnings.
I see so much focus on “entering heaven”, but as I read my scripture, I see that it was never mentioned as a destination for earthlings until Jesus came and offered a select “few” a role as ‘kings and priests’ in his kingdom. God chooses them.
Jesus said that “the meek will inherit the earth” so why can’t paradise be right here, restored to God’s original purpose?
Those whom God chooses to assist his appointed King will rule over earthly subjects, bringing them back into an approved standing with their Creator. Living forever was meant to be enjoyed here on earth. That is the Bible’s message to me. It means that I will never go to heaven and I am happy to remain on earth to enjoy my earthly paradise as God originally intended.
Would you find such a prospect objectionable? If so, why?
Friend, I never mentioned anything about Muslims not entering heaven. I asked whether you understand the Bible’s reference to “paradise” as necessarily referring to heaven, when the first paradise mentioned in scripture was on earth.
When Jesus told the thief who was hung alongside him that he would be “with him in paradise”, (Luke 23:43) was he telling this criminal that he would go to heaven? I think not....I believe that Jesus was promising him a place in the earthly paradise when he resurrects all the dead. (John 5:28-29) He will call all the dead from their graves....’righteous and unrighteousness’.
According to the prophet Isaiah, God always finishes what he starts. (Isaiah 55:11) I don’t believe that God ever intended humans to go to heaven. The fact that he did, was only in response to Adam’s sin....taking us back to our intended beginnings.
I see so much focus on “entering heaven”, but as I read my scripture, I see that it was never mentioned as a destination for earthlings until Jesus came and offered a select “few” a role as ‘kings and priests’ in his kingdom. God chooses them.
Jesus said that “the meek will inherit the earth” so why can’t paradise be right here, restored to God’s original purpose?
Those whom God chooses to assist his appointed King will rule over earthly subjects, bringing them back into an approved standing with their Creator. Living forever was meant to be enjoyed here on earth. That is the Bible’s message to me. It means that I will never go to heaven and I am happy to remain on earth to enjoy my earthly paradise as God originally intended.
Would you find such a prospect objectionable? If so, why?
The name of Muhammad is found in the ancient and modern Bible and gospel
Does not need to deny
There is a copy of the book of the Gospel of Barnabas before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad speaks that there is a Prophet after Jesus and will be the Prophet Muhammad (Ahmad)
Is that what you call brief?My reply will be brief because your scenario is based on the words of someone I do not trust...sorry.
I took your advice and Googled information on the Gospel of Barnabas. I had never heard of it, so I was interested to find out.
This site gave some interesting insights....
The Gospel of Barnabas
The Gospel of Barnabas is not part of the accepted Bible canon (apparently for good reason) and is therefore inadmissible as a proof that Mohammad was ever a true prophet of God. I cannot accept him or the Qur'an as the word of God....for the simple reason that my God is not your God, and your God is not my God. We have each chosen our deity.
The rest of your post is from your own holy book which I am afraid means nothing to me. It seems to condemn any who are not Muslims. That is your belief and you are entitled to it. It is not my belief and it seems to me that it is Muslim countries that have the highest rate of refugees fleeing violence and oppression. That does not speak well of Islam as a peaceful religion to me.
It would have been nice if you had just answered my questions.
My reply will be brief because your scenario is based on the words of someone I do not trust...sorry.
I took your advice and Googled information on the Gospel of Barnabas. I had never heard of it, so I was interested to find out.
This site gave some interesting insights....
The Gospel of Barnabas
The Gospel of Barnabas is not part of the accepted Bible canon (apparently for good reason) and is therefore inadmissible as a proof that Mohammad was ever a true prophet of God. I cannot accept him or the Qur'an as the word of God....for the simple reason that my God is not your God, and your God is not my God. We have each chosen our deity.
The rest of your post is from your own holy book which I am afraid means nothing to me. It seems to condemn any who are not Muslims. That is your belief and you are entitled to it. It is not my belief and it seems to me that it is Muslim countries that have the highest rate of refugees fleeing violence and oppression. That does not speak well of Islam as a peaceful religion to me.
It would have been nice if you had just answered my questions.
The Islamic world has been subjected to aggression and colonialism for centuries
The presence of Muslims in Andalusia was not in the hands of Arabs, but the Berbers, such as Libya and Algeria
We have been colonized by the Romans and Persians and for the last centuries we are in colonialism and we got independence from Britain 1971
Then Israel make war against the Arabs
Politics is the destruction of Arab economies that could pose a threat to Israel
I myself want peace with Israel and sincere in my words
But the economy is being immorally subverted by the invisible hands
And then you say we will go to heaven
Shall we go to heaven by stealing the Palestinian territories? And colonize Africa and enslave people and loot their goods and their abilities and you will go to heaven, how is it possible
God loves the righteous and does not love the oppressors
Secondly, Wikipedia is a site that is prepared by ordinary people
I will give you a headline from an official newspaper with the name of Muhammad in the prophecy
Bible BOMBSHELL? Jesus Christ was NOT crucified according to ancient 'Gospel of Barnabas'
I understand why it is painful....there are no real solutions as long as humans are divided on religious grounds, judging one another and condemning one another. No one wants to be wrong.I also do not want to continue the dialogue because is painful
We are his brother and in the Islamic concept that the sons of Israel and the sons of Ishmael and I mean the righteous will be side by side and the best of them will be the most powerful in Piety and sincere work with God
Yusuf Estes - Wikipedia
an American preacher from Texas who converted from Christianity to Islam in 1991
why
we are living Day EightIt was all scripture.....pity you can't bear to look at it. No matter...your choice.
Ah...a science convert....nuff said.
Did you know that day 7 has not ended yet?
How can one part of God be a servant of his equal self?
.one with no siblings.