Has the 2nd Amendment become a Religion?

[jeager106]

Ahhhhh, I see. This was added since I helped run a gun shop many years ago.
or has been committed to any mental institution;

This is STILL very argumentative.
I.E. a person suffers from P.T.S.D. but isn't the least bit violent towards self or
others.
Does this mean that person can't purchase a firearm when well again?
Does committed mean the person that checks into a mental hospital based upon
perceived personal need or a doctors advise?
I know cops ( I am retired L.E.O.) that fell into P.T.S.D. or depression that
admitted themselves into a mental facility for help and once helped are perfectly
well balanced now and would never harm anyone.
In Florida if you are in the Hospital or E.R. and say something flippant like
" oh, my gawd, I'd rather die than be this physically sick" you are going to get a free
ride WITH police escort to the nearest mental hospital AGAINST you will, ergo
the police escort.
You WILL be in house for 3 days until a shrink examines you and determines
you are not a danger to yourself.
Dose that mean that the "patient" can't buy a firearm ever? Why?
The mental hospital happily released the "patient" in just 3 days while pocketing
a large amount of money from the insurance company. How do I know this?
Because it happened to me several years ago and there was NOTHING I could do
but serve the 3 days with a bunch of crazy people and others that were fine
but got caught in Florida's ridiculous system.
I had an attack of painful pancreatitis and remarked "oh my gawd I think I'd rather die
than to go through this pain."
That got me a 3 day vacation in the local State funny farm!
It was explained that if I didn't go with the program I would be kept indefinitely
If I went with the scam I'd be out in 3 days. What a racket.
Pretty good state scam hey?

 

[Mycroft]

I wish people stopped tainting the word "religion" like that.

Well one could argue religion as a mechanism is already quite good at tainting itself as a word.

 

[Mycroft]

No more sacred than the right to free speech,

Trouble is that very rarely do people argue for the right to free speech. What they really argue for is Freedom from Accountability to To What They Say.

 

[esmith]

I am wondering how any regulation could keep the mentally ill from buying
a gun????
If a person is mentally ill they don't slobber, stutter, or have crossed eyes.
A mentally ill person is perfectly capable of LYING on the form 4473.
The 4473 is the yellow form that a gun buyer fills out and lying is a felony but
it is difficult to even know that someone lied on the 4473.
It asks: "Have you ever been ADJUDICATED mentally incompetent (ill).
That means a court (Judge) ruled that you are nuts.
It makes no difference if the purchaser had been committed to a mental
institution 100 times.
The nut can simply answer the question on the 4473 form "no; never been
adjudicated mentally ill" and be LEGAL to purchase.
I would hazard a guess that very, very, few people have ever been "adjudicated"
mentally incompetent. Why? Because judges are not psychiatrists and without
an opinion by one or more psychiatrists are unlikely to declare anyone mentally
incompetent.

Because it the have been adjudicated mentally ill that information should be so listed on NISC data base or the POC data base (depending on the state)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting, Germany being the most repressive.

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Damm. Where's Canada?

 

[metis]

In America, we tend to glorify violence but a set of boobs drives everyone insane.
It's very odd.

Oh, I don't know as I've seen some killer boobs before-- whew!

 

[Nous]

This is STILL very argumentative.
I.E. a person suffers from P.T.S.D. but isn't the least bit violent towards self or
others.
Does this mean that person can't purchase a firearm when well again?
Does committed mean the person that checks into a mental hospital based upon
perceived personal need or a doctors advise?
I know cops ( I am retired L.E.O.) that fell into P.T.S.D. or depression that
admitted themselves into a mental facility for help and once helped are perfectly
well balanced now and would never harm anyone.
In Florida if you are in the Hospital or E.R. and say something flippant like
" oh, my gawd, I'd rather die than be this physically sick" you are going to get a free
ride WITH police escort to the nearest mental hospital AGAINST you will, ergo
the police escort.
You WILL be in house for 3 days until a shrink examines you and determines
you are not a danger to yourself.
Dose that mean that the "patient" can't buy a firearm ever? Why?
The mental hospital happily released the "patient" in just 3 days while pocketing
a large amount of money from the insurance company. How do I know this?
Because it happened to me several years ago and there was NOTHING I could do
but serve the 3 days with a bunch of crazy people and others that were fine
but got caught in Florida's ridiculous system.
I had an attack of painful pancreatitis and remarked "oh my gawd I think I'd rather die
than to go through this pain."
That got me a 3 day vacation in the local State funny farm!
It was explained that if I didn't go with the program I would be kept indefinitely
If I went with the scam I'd be out in 3 days. What a racket.
Pretty good state scam hey?

Yeah, that’s a good scam. It’s punishment for having good insurance that covers treatment for mental disorders (which now is required by law).

Anyway, as 27 CFR § 478.11 makes clear, “committed to a mental institution” includes only involuntary commitment, and only results by way of a determination by a court, board, or commission. Ultimately, in accordance with O'Connor v. Donaldson (1975), such involuntary commitment will necessarily be the result of a hearing and order by a court. Getting “Baker Acted” in Florida is not an involuntary commitment. As far as I know, every state has a statute by which a person who is thought to be a danger to himself or others can be temporarily confined on an emergency basis. The maximum time for such confinement is almost always 72 hours (because it usually takes about that long to get a habeas corpus hearing). I know of no state where only as a result of such a temporary confinement a person is prohibited to purchase or possess guns beyond that confinement (though in California, for instance, one must file a petition to have confiscated guns returned). Again, such temporary confinement does not qualify as “committed to a mental institution” under federal law.

In fact, in 2009 the Florida AG issued an opinion in response a sheriff’s question about returning firearms that are confiscated when someone has been “Baker Acted,” finding that “in the absence of an arrest and criminal charge against the person sent for evaluation under Florida's Baker Act, the Sheriff of Bay County may not retain firearms confiscated from such persons and retained by that office.” http://www.myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/C12EDF88F39CBC968525754B00721BB3

 

[jeager106]

I think I've mentioned the Draconian way I was treated in Florida when having
a pancreas attack.
I moaned "oh no, I'd rather die that go through this pain".
That got me a trip and 3 day commitment to the State Mental hospital for an
evaluation. This is LAW in Florida and that isn't a damned thing to be done about it
but play the game and get the hell out.
Strange how others so committed in a similar fashion that I met ALL HAD GREAT
INSURANCE as did I!!!!!!!!!
Natch the examining shrink concluded quickly "there isn't a damned thing wrong with you
mentally so you get out and go back to Ohio and watch what you say down here in
Florida next time."
Bastages!